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By the way...

I win. You may continue with the adulation.

Edited, Mar 16th 2008 6:06pm by RPZip

If so then neither do you... =(

Of course I'm going to point out that you we're wrong. You we're insinuating that we suck at pvp because we get wtfpwnt by melee...etc...etc. And yet you know nothing of what you're talking about. You may mislead new posters to think they suck when they read your lolpost.

Heh.



This is really, really stupid. It's like a Frost Mage complaining that Warriors can catch him if Blink, Frost Nova and Cold Snap are all down.



This is also really stupid.

Ok, well that makes it much clearer. I was having a hard time understanding what you meant.

Lol, no problem, sorry for kind of... yo know.. insulting you there.

*raises hand

I don't know **** about arena or Shaman (Shamen? Shamans?), but I know hunters, and having just stumbled upon this thread (good read, by the way), I have to correct something I saw Aurelius post.



Not true. I would think a level 70 hunter would know this, but whatever. Trueshot aura is a flat amount of AP - not just RAP. Doesn't do anything for the mage in your group, but it does the rogue and warrior and such.

If you're going to try to argue with people like RP, you need to have your facts straight. Maybe little details like that don't matter to you, but as I was reading this thread, you did lose a lot of credibility in my eyes by getting that wrong.

Also, I feel like I'm necroposting here, but I just have to drag this up from another post where you incorrectly state what trueshot does:



How do you know this is what happens? That's what everyone here is getting at. If you don't have the experience with arena, you can't know this is how it goes down. RP could tell me that a MS warrior will charge into the opposing 5 man team and one shot them all...and I'll suspect he's lying, but I can't prove it, because I have no experience there. You suspect shaman are focus fired in arenas, but how do you really know? If they were as amazing as you think they are, there would be more of them in the top brackets. There aren't.

*lowers hand

Yeah... I didn't want to get started on that post lol.

Some people need to stop when they have dug themselves a hole.

Sometimes I need to as well... But it boils down to pride. People have pride in their beliefs and don't like when their Epeen gets stepped on. (I can't blame them though... I can be just as guilty as the rest of them as shown below from a previous post I myself have posted.)



The main reason I would possibly see a shaman getting focus fired is if they are the only healing class in the party... Then it is a pretty obvious reason why they are getting trashed right off the bat. (wouldn't try to down the tank without touching the healer would ya?)

Other than the above formentioned. I don't know and prolly won't know as my Arena rating is slipping below 1400 now and I really don't care enough to worry about it. To many people in S3 gear w/ s2 shoulders at the 1400 brackets to make me worry about it.

I am just doin it to get a few nice items with the +hit I need to get hitcapped so I won't claim to be an arena expert. =D

Hey, they both apologized to each other, but I think we should keep arguing about it since that's helpful...


Your both wronger than the last.

Frost Shock snares for 50%. We can split hairs and haggle over it all day long, but it still won't change the fact that it's the worst snare in the game along with Earthbind.

Short duration, long cooldown, dispelable, and using it locks you out of other abilities. It's like... if, as a Warrior, using Hamstring as a Warrior stopped you from pummeling for six seconds or so.

The only real saving grace s that it's got range.

Short duration and long cooldown?

Frost Shock: Lasts 8 seconds, cooldown 6 seconds, untalented.

Cone of Cold: Lasts 8 seconds, cooldown 10 seconds, untalented.

Frost Shock is a 20-yard targeted spell with nice damage on it.
Cone of Cold is a 10-yard AoE spell that only covers in front of the caster (and actually, it has directional issues if you cast it while running forwards). Cone of Cold is not a great snare either--untalented. Once you take Permafrost and Ice Floes, the cooldown is less than the snare duration. Once you take Improved Cone of Cold, you increase its damage 35%, and it becomes a powerhouse move with the other two.

But it's a damage move like that, not a great snare.


I'm not saying that Frost Shock is fine as it is--Cone of Cold is not great of a snare, but the mage class has many more snares to make up for it, and Cone of Cold is used more as damage with a snare effect in PvP rather than a kiting/catching tool.

Shaman's other snare, Earthbind, is worse than Frost Shock at the moment, so they don't have a catch like mages do for their Cone of Cold. Frankly, I want to see what happens if they give Frost Shock an extra ten yards of range, maybe by talents.



But the worst thing about Frost Shock that I see is that it locks out the other shocks for six seconds. The only talents that help are 5 points in Reverberation, which reduces it to locking out shocks for 5 seconds. Frost Shock needs a boost most definitely, perhaps by talents, or perhaps just by reworking the spell. It's not the worst snare in the game, I can't agree with that, but it needs a boost more than any other snare spell I can see.

(Well, Mind Flay needs a higher spell damage coefficient.)