what loot can i roll on?Follow

Most guilds that are progressing use a DKP system. A very famous one is the nurfed DKP edition. Basically, in this system, the highest possible armor class is priority to that class. Meaning... warriors / paladins get priority on plate, hunters/shams get priority on mail, rogues/druids get priority on leather and so forth.

You shouldn't be rolling against main rogues for leather pieces as a warrior pretty much ever IMO. As far as token wise, sure you can roll against it, but you have to realize that your MT and you main healers should get priority for overall progress of the guild. As far as being a rogues bs *****, you'll notice that's pretty common... in fact, that's one of the main reasons fury warriors were able to get into raids. Until you can start getting late ssc/tk gear and above at the same rate rogues are getting the same things you're really not going to be far ahead of them if at all... unless they're just the biggest idiots ever.

you both mentioned dkp, but the thing is, i can't amass any dkp without attending raids. if i attend a max of two raids a month while the raid regulars raid five times as often, then that means i have crap for dkp and basically have to wait until everyone else is geared, THEN i can take a shot at rolling for tokens.

if that guy was a poor raider ie never came prepared with flasks/pots/food/buffs, never read up on strats, and performed poorly in his role, then yes i'd be mad without question. but if the guy is a good raider ie always comes stacked with flasks/pots/food/buffs, always reads up on strats and is able to follow them despite limited to no experience on the fight, and consistently dpses right up there with the rogues who have been raiding much longer than he is, then i'd think maybe he deserves some consideration...

i guess i'm SOL though.

Granted, you're probably putting in heavy effort when you do come to a raid, and I don't doubt that you're doing great damage, but if other people are raiding consistently in your guild, then no.

Say you're a rogue, and you've been on 6 raids hoping for a really great gear set. You farm dailies, come stocked with flasks/pots/food/bandages/buffs, memorize strategies for every single raid. You go 5 kills, don't see it, and start to think that it's never going to drop. The piece you want finally drops on kill 6, and a DPS warrior who has been there on 1/6 kills takes it. How is that fair?

That's the reason for DPK in the first place.

Froman - you and I are in the same guild. And personally I have given up T4/T5 tokens and lots of other gear to get our tanks and healers geared. (My main raider is a druid - Aldaran).

What can you roll on? Anything at all. Just like Kahira says, all T4 content is open rolling. When you start being a consistent member of 25 mans and will be there at least 50% of the time and thus an asset to progress - then you will have enough DKP - or whatever system we end up using - for gear.

If you come to maybe one raid a month? You cant really feel the right to be considered for gear over those who are there 9/10 times.

Please note: this is not an attack on you Froman. I really respect your knowledge f the warrior class. But I am a little frustrated that we went from raiding SSC/TK back to having to raid Gruul because people are complaining about gear. I'm still in some blues and am 200 +heal less than the next healer in the guild because of some of these complaints.

/endrant

squirrel made the point i was trying to make. Up to a point, it does not matter too much if you are there all the time but once you start going to t5 and such it gets a bit beyond just reading up and picking things up on the fly. Can it happen? yes. But A person who put in their time going to multiple wipeoramas, learning the encounter first hand should have first opp at gear than a casual raider in the guild.

Edited, Mar 11th 2008 10:55pm by nibsir

I've been in a similar situation before. It was prince, two nice pieces drop that I could have used. The ML (our GM, who was helping us for prince) linked one piece first. It was the Ring, so I rolled on it. I won, got the ring, great. Then the T4 Helm token dropped and I was stoked, so I rolled on it as well. I won that roll, but because I rolled on the ring, I couldn't get the T4 token, and it was given to a druid who already had an epic helm (I'm still in the Second Might one or some crap). The person who played the druid stopped playing a week later, sold the druid, picked up a Tank, and then rerolled a paly. It was crap, and I wasn't happy...so now i have that ugly *** Badge helm.

Needless to say, if you don't raid, you don't get the gear. It's that simple. It's almost like a waste of gear to give it to the guy who only raids twice a month, regardless of the circumstances. You don't help the raid in any way progress and you hurt the raid by taking loot someone else can use in efforts of raid progression.

As for leather...there is plenty of plate gear out there to keep you from rolling on the leather and mail(?) gear.

As for my guild, we use EPGP. You can google it to find out more if you want.

I'm (almost) tired of being the person causing guild drama Froman but if that had gone to a rogue I would have flipped my lid told everyone what I thought of them and then /gquit.