I know that everyone is getting tired of people posting their builds on here and asking what they think of it. And that is even more certain with Ret builds. So I wanted to post one to see what you guys thought.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVGkhMhZVf0thbuVIsz
Thats the build that I am aiming for. I am a Blood Elf Pally so I am not going to be using that much of Seal of Command in PvP. SoB is better with the appropriate gear so that seems to me the better option. Plus I am not going to judge SoB either, either SotC or SoL. So what do you guys think I am open to critisim as long as its supported with experience or knowledge.
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katumarijubei wrote:
I know that everyone is getting tired of people posting their builds on here and asking what they think of it. And that is even more certain with Ret builds. So I wanted to post one to see what you guys thought.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVGkhMhZVf0thbuVIsz
Thats the build that I am aiming for. I am a Blood Elf Pally so I am not going to be using that much of Seal of Command in PvP. SoB is better with the appropriate gear so that seems to me the better option. Plus I am not going to judge SoB either, either SotC or SoL. So what do you guys think I am open to critisim as long as its supported with experience or knowledge.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVGkhMhZVf0thbuVIsz
Thats the build that I am aiming for. I am a Blood Elf Pally so I am not going to be using that much of Seal of Command in PvP. SoB is better with the appropriate gear so that seems to me the better option. Plus I am not going to judge SoB either, either SotC or SoL. So what do you guys think I am open to critisim as long as its supported with experience or knowledge.
first are you looking primarily to do PVE or PVP? There really is a difference between good PVE ret and good PVP ret. i can't really check that build out, but you only mentioned PVP, so i'm not sure i'd rely on SoB. the damage it deals back to you is somewhat counterproductive unless you have an awesome pocket healer with you. if you're looking for instancing/raiding yeah, SoB is awesome. i'll look at that build later when i get back to my computer and i'll be able to help a little more. you might read over that lousy ret guide some tool posted in the meantime though.
I'm not an expert on ret Pallies, in fact, I just respecced ret for the first time this weekend. I've been prot for pretty much my entire life as a Pally.
I do know; however, know that Seal of Blood is NOT good for PvP. Why? Sure it hits like a truck. The problem is that it damages you, and considering PvP is all about living...you can see the downfall.
As for the build, it seems to be the generic 0/20/41 cookie cutter ret PvP build. I see nothing wrong with it.
(On a side note, OMFG LAWLRET IS SO FUN TO PLAY!)
Edited, Mar 8th 2008 11:57am by Zeromatter
I do know; however, know that Seal of Blood is NOT good for PvP. Why? Sure it hits like a truck. The problem is that it damages you, and considering PvP is all about living...you can see the downfall.
As for the build, it seems to be the generic 0/20/41 cookie cutter ret PvP build. I see nothing wrong with it.
(On a side note, OMFG LAWLRET IS SO FUN TO PLAY!)
Edited, Mar 8th 2008 11:57am by Zeromatter
Seal of Blood will put out more damage, true, but it's steady reliable damage. That is not good in PvP. It is worth it to take a bit of a dps hit (it's really not much of one either) if you can make it more bursty, so SoC wins out in that department.
Steady damage is easy to heal through, bursty damage isn't. That's where we shine and any steps made to help that along should be sought after.
Steady damage is easy to heal through, bursty damage isn't. That's where we shine and any steps made to help that along should be sought after.
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Yeah it is a really simple cookie cutter build because I have not hit 70 with this toon so its at the point where I can swap it around a little to suit my own personal pvp tastes. I know that SoB is more consistant which suits me just fine because 2 handers are bursty enough already. And SoComm is to random. Sometimes it hits back to back and other times you will kill things with white damage before the target dies. Keeping it as a talent allows you the option of consistancy or the retardedly huge hits that are like rolling dice.
But yeah I want to pvp with my Blood Elf Pally. I am tired of raiding and I would rather see what the horde has to offer when it comes to team work on my battlegroup. Because its obvious that the Alliance has teamwork that is written on a wet napkin.
But yeah I want to pvp with my Blood Elf Pally. I am tired of raiding and I would rather see what the horde has to offer when it comes to team work on my battlegroup. Because its obvious that the Alliance has teamwork that is written on a wet napkin.
I've played ret for my entire 5 to 6 month paladin life and I do like it a lot. I've also respecced/tweaked my ret build every given way, as my bank account can attest to, so I hope this post helps you out a little.
I've tried a build similar to yours. My first blush on it is you're sacrificing quite a bit of burst damage capability by not taking Fanaticism, and lowering your overall output with no Divine Strength or Improved Sanctity Aura. In it's place I see you're favoring stuns and small immunity to being stunned instead.
In BG/PVP, I recommend higher damage output over almost anything else for a ret pally, save maybe the ability to cast BOK. If you can kill a Warlock or Priest in two (high crit) swings, you'll only need to stun them once. Plus many people, you included, could have an Insignia of alliance/horde that can easily free you from stuns. So the added 10% stun resist from Stoicism does little good. Also the 15 less seconds you need to spend waiting for Hammer of Justice to cool down won't be beneficial in most PVP fights which tend to be intense 10 to 15 second free-for-alls.
Even in PVE, where stuns do nothing to bosses, burst damage reigns supreme. Crits, crits, AP, AP. More the merrier. Amen.
My suggestion is to drop Improved Hammer of Justice and Stoicism, and at very least add them back into Fanaticism.
I've tried a build similar to yours. My first blush on it is you're sacrificing quite a bit of burst damage capability by not taking Fanaticism, and lowering your overall output with no Divine Strength or Improved Sanctity Aura. In it's place I see you're favoring stuns and small immunity to being stunned instead.
In BG/PVP, I recommend higher damage output over almost anything else for a ret pally, save maybe the ability to cast BOK. If you can kill a Warlock or Priest in two (high crit) swings, you'll only need to stun them once. Plus many people, you included, could have an Insignia of alliance/horde that can easily free you from stuns. So the added 10% stun resist from Stoicism does little good. Also the 15 less seconds you need to spend waiting for Hammer of Justice to cool down won't be beneficial in most PVP fights which tend to be intense 10 to 15 second free-for-alls.
Even in PVE, where stuns do nothing to bosses, burst damage reigns supreme. Crits, crits, AP, AP. More the merrier. Amen.
My suggestion is to drop Improved Hammer of Justice and Stoicism, and at very least add them back into Fanaticism.
You can't be too bursty in a PvP setting. Trust me, when I was healing, it was all too easy to heal someone who was taking consistent damage. But a few crits and unexpected damage and that guy was dead with 0.1 seconds left on my heal.
Especially true for Paladin healers without the HoT to buy you that 0.1s more.
I may not PvP much, but I agree that the only way you're going to kill someone being healed by a "Can-Heal-Forever-adin" is to gamble on those lucky bursts.
I may not PvP much, but I agree that the only way you're going to kill someone being healed by a "Can-Heal-Forever-adin" is to gamble on those lucky bursts.
I would get Fanaticism and max out your improved Sanctity Aura. I'd also dump improved ret aura. In PvP that little damage that you do back to the dude who is pounding away on you in nothing.
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Ok what about this I took a little advice from some of the elder paladins, and this is what I came up with.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZVGzZVfoth0uiIkt
I do agree that the insane burst damage is really nice, I guess I wanted to find a better balance from burst and consistancy. So more feedback on this build is appreciated. Also if you find it better to clear out my build and start from scratch then by all means I love looking at what others use.
Finally I have to say that blood elf pallys are the way to go, their seal of command proc is insane looking.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZVGzZVfoth0uiIkt
I do agree that the insane burst damage is really nice, I guess I wanted to find a better balance from burst and consistancy. So more feedback on this build is appreciated. Also if you find it better to clear out my build and start from scratch then by all means I love looking at what others use.
Finally I have to say that blood elf pallys are the way to go, their seal of command proc is insane looking.
That looks a lot more like my current build that has worked well for me in both PvP and PvE. You'll see a nice increase in bust damage now - clothies, especially, will have a tough time getting that second fear or fireball off on you before ending up in the graveyard. And yes for PvP use SoComm for heavy burst, but switch to SoB for PvE for more constant output.
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I chose to place that final point to make crits even more weak. I think its a good fit for a pally. I only chose to play a pally because of Athene (sad I know).
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