Hi,
I'm somewhat down the road with crafting my FSW set. So far, I've made the shoulders, and 4 bolts of shadowcloth (love that 4 day CD!).
Given that my spec is 61 frost, how good is this set likely to be for me? Also, what gems do you suggest I look at acquiring?
p.s. I actually hit 70 yesterday, despite what the sig says! I guess the servers take some time to update.
Edited, Mar 7th 2008 11:35pm by SpiritusMundi
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If you plan on staying a frost mage be it 0/0/61 or 10/0/51 (which I liked for clearcasting when I hit 70) FSW is an awesome set to have. I used it until finally switching to 2/48/11 and getting my Spellfire set. Get the Spellstrike set and you will be golden for a long time.
Gems I would go for Veiled Noble Topaz, Runed Living Ruby, and the Dawnstone with Spellhit....Great Dawnstone? I dont remember off the top of my head. But those should be the main ones, Glowing Nightseye is also good for some stam if you are good on spell hit.
Edited, Mar 7th 2008 11:47pm by Mhog
Gems I would go for Veiled Noble Topaz, Runed Living Ruby, and the Dawnstone with Spellhit....Great Dawnstone? I dont remember off the top of my head. But those should be the main ones, Glowing Nightseye is also good for some stam if you are good on spell hit.
Edited, Mar 7th 2008 11:47pm by Mhog
you didn't specifically say what you planned on doing with the character, be it pvp, heroics, dailies, raiding, etc.
As has been stated, do not put green gems into your epic items, spend the money and get the blues (rares).
also, invest in +spellhit/+dmg. As frost you get the lucky break of the ghost-elemental precision on frostbolts (may be other frost spells too) that it counts for 6% instead of the normal 3.
As has been stated, do not put green gems into your epic items, spend the money and get the blues (rares).
also, invest in +spellhit/+dmg. As frost you get the lucky break of the ghost-elemental precision on frostbolts (may be other frost spells too) that it counts for 6% instead of the normal 3.
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As frost you get the lucky break of the ghost-elemental precision on frostbolts (may be other frost spells too) that it counts for 6% instead of the normal 3.
wait, what? would you explain this to me, please, i've never heard of this effect?
LaFey wrote:
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As frost you get the lucky break of the ghost-elemental precision on frostbolts (may be other frost spells too) that it counts for 6% instead of the normal 3.
wait, what? would you explain this to me, please, i've never heard of this effect?
It's a bug in the way Elemental Precision works. It used to be 6% increase to frost spells(I don't remember if it was fire at the time too, was back before TBC). When TBC was about to roll out, they changed it to 3% +hit and 3% less spell cost. Well, they didn't quite get it right, and frosties got 6% still.
I have been keeping an eye out, and I can't find anyone stating that it has been fixed. Lhivera's Theorycraft calculator still recognizes it, so I'm assuming between those that it's still in effect.
I should have specified - I'm mostly interested in PvP. But, having said that, I would like to do a small amount of raiding. My guild will probably be able to accomodate me with the occasional Kara venture, so that's fine for me.
Edited, Mar 10th 2008 12:22pm by SpiritusMundi
Edited, Mar 10th 2008 12:22pm by SpiritusMundi
Edited, Mar 10th 2008 12:22pm by SpiritusMundi
Edited, Mar 10th 2008 12:22pm by SpiritusMundi
Before S1 Arena gear was available via BG farming, FSW wasn't too terrible for PvP. It focuses on stam (b/c it is primarily suited for warlocks) and has great +dmg. You could argue that the set bonus is pvp-oriented, but imo it is just another bit of proof that they really had locks in mind when designing this set. Anyway, at this point, it isn't worth the effort and cost for PvP. Spend those hours in BGs instead.
For PvE/raiding as frost, it's great, though I still like to call it Blizzard's "oh you want to raid as frost...um, ok, I guess you can try this" set. ;)
By the way, this:
is pretty cool news for pvp frosties who also want to "raid" (Is Filterspawn looking?? When I say raid, I mean beat up on the Maiden and Moroes.). I'm surprised I never see this mentioned when people ask about +hit cap. What's the # for frosties (assuming 3/3 in Ele Precision of course)?
Edited, Mar 13th 2008 3:14pm by AynLoD
For PvE/raiding as frost, it's great, though I still like to call it Blizzard's "oh you want to raid as frost...um, ok, I guess you can try this" set. ;)
By the way, this:
Poldaran wrote:
Well, they didn't quite get it right, and frosties got 6% still.
is pretty cool news for pvp frosties who also want to "raid" (Is Filterspawn looking?? When I say raid, I mean beat up on the Maiden and Moroes.). I'm surprised I never see this mentioned when people ask about +hit cap. What's the # for frosties (assuming 3/3 in Ele Precision of course)?
Edited, Mar 13th 2008 3:14pm by AynLoD
AynLoD wrote:
Before S1 Arena gear was available via BG farming, FSW wasn't too terrible for PvP. It focuses on stam (b/c it is primarily suited for warlocks) and has great +dmg. You could argue that the set bonus is pvp-oriented, but imo it is just another bit of proof that they really had locks in mind when designing this set. Anyway, at this point, it isn't worth the effort and cost for PvP. Spend those hours in BGs instead.
For PvE/raiding as frost, it's great, though I still like to call it Blizzard's "oh you want to raid as frost...um, ok, I guess you can try this" set. ;)
By the way, this:
is pretty cool news for pvp frosties who also want to "raid" (Is Filterspawn looking?? When I say raid, I mean beat up on the Maiden and Moroes.). I'm surprised I never see this mentioned when people ask about +hit cap. What's the # for frosties (assuming 3/3 in Ele Precision of course)?
For PvE/raiding as frost, it's great, though I still like to call it Blizzard's "oh you want to raid as frost...um, ok, I guess you can try this" set. ;)
By the way, this:
Poldaran wrote:
Well, they didn't quite get it right, and frosties got 6% still.
is pretty cool news for pvp frosties who also want to "raid" (Is Filterspawn looking?? When I say raid, I mean beat up on the Maiden and Moroes.). I'm surprised I never see this mentioned when people ask about +hit cap. What's the # for frosties (assuming 3/3 in Ele Precision of course)?
126, I think.
If you're just going to pvp I'd say skip tailoring entirely to be honest. The tailoring sets provide far too few of the survivability stats that you need for pvp. As mentioned before, getting the season 1 set through honor, then gradually upgrading to season 3 is the only way to go for pvp.
Don't worry about karazhan either, if you have full pvp gear, and your guild is half-competent, it shouldn't be a problem. While your dps does suffer, it shouldn't be bad enough to hamper your raid. With pvp gear you'll have around 900 spelldamage easily, which overshoots the gear minimum for kara by a lot. The +hit can be fixed with a few pve pieces (scryer's bloodgem, perhaps the spellstrike set), you don't need these for kara though, let alone a full pve set.
Don't worry about karazhan either, if you have full pvp gear, and your guild is half-competent, it shouldn't be a problem. While your dps does suffer, it shouldn't be bad enough to hamper your raid. With pvp gear you'll have around 900 spelldamage easily, which overshoots the gear minimum for kara by a lot. The +hit can be fixed with a few pve pieces (scryer's bloodgem, perhaps the spellstrike set), you don't need these for kara though, let alone a full pve set.
Poldaran wrote:
126, I think.
w00t! I'm closer than I thought!
Who needs heroics and kara when you've got arena? Throw in some handwraps of flowing thought here, some proper gemming there, a dash of those Crimson something robes--always underpriced on the AH...and you've got yourself 100-115 hit already. I <3 my welfare epics.
Ok, ok, technically those gloves are from Kara, but just Attumen, so it barely even counts. I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that I can be almost ready for SSC in nigh 100% PvP gear, but what's one mage gonna do about it? I'm happy for my toon, b/c it allows me to gear up in my own way, but sometimes I do yearn for the days when rares were epics and epics were, well, epic and rare. My play time pre-TBC was brief, admittedly, but I think this goes along with the strange nostalgia I feel when ******* around in the plaguelands on my 70. No real justification for it (considering I wasn't even 60 when TBC came out), but there it is, nonetheless.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 10:54am by AynLoD
AynLoD wrote:
Poldaran wrote:
126, I think.
w00t! I'm closer than I thought!
Who needs heroics and kara when you've got arena? Throw in some handwraps of flowing thought here, some proper gemming there, a dash of those Crimson something robes--always underpriced on the AH...and you've got yourself 100-115 hit already. I <3 my welfare epics.
Ok, ok, technically those gloves are from Kara, but just Attumen, so it barely even counts. I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that I can be almost ready for SSC in nigh 100% PvP gear, but what's one mage gonna do about it? I'm happy for my toon, b/c it allows me to gear up in my own way, but sometimes I do yearn for the days when rares were epics and epics were, well, epic and rare. My play time pre-TBC was brief, admittedly, but I think this goes along with the strange nostalgia I feel when Richarding around in the plaguelands on my 70. No real justification for it (considering I wasn't even 60 when TBC came out), but there it is, nonetheless.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 10:54am by AynLoD
don't plan on raiding ssc/tk in pvp gear. Hell, even Gruuls/Mag I could see it being frowned upon.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 12:18pm by Anobix
Anobix wrote:
don't plan on raiding ssc/tk in pvp gear. Hell, even Gruuls/Mag I could see it being frowned upon.
Yeah, mostly tongue-in-cheek there with my last post, but in the end, if I can get 126+hit and ~850-900+dmg is mostly PvP gear, what's to stop me from going to SSC? Lack of int (and thus mana)?
Not arguing, just kinda thinkin' out loud here. As I've said before, my "raiding" knowledge ends at Moroes.
AynLoD wrote:
Anobix wrote:
don't plan on raiding ssc/tk in pvp gear. Hell, even Gruuls/Mag I could see it being frowned upon.
Yeah, mostly tongue-in-cheek there with my last post, but in the end, if I can get 126+hit and ~850-900+dmg is mostly PvP gear, what's to stop me from going to SSC? Lack of int (and thus mana)?
Not arguing, just kinda thinkin' out loud here. As I've said before, my "raiding" knowledge ends at Moroes.
A few pieces of PvP gear can make their way in:
weapons are great, wand, offhand isn't bad. The bracers are great, along with the boots/waist (aren't bad, but not as a good as the bracers).
That isn't to say that PvP gear isn't a good way to get into raiding, just that I would normally expect some of the gear to be replaced by the time you are raiding t5 instances.
Yes, you will end up losing some hp, but should gain some mana, and will gain quite a bit more damage, crit, and spellhit instead of the points being wasted on resilience and stamina.
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