Why Lawl Ret?Follow

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seriously? have you never heard of warriors wearing leather to dps in if it's an upgrade? if there were a CLOTH chestpiece out there with 50 crit rating, 70 str and 30 hit rating, i couldn't care less if it had 83 armor, i'd wear it in a heartbeat.

my comment on cloth armor was in reference to I, being a dps warrior, not I as a prospective retadin.

@tommyguns is that dps supposed to be impressive? 600 on HKM and 780 on Gruul? If I ever got that low something would be drastically wrong. Those instances I'm trying to push for 1000 dps (and I average 950+ in mostly badge gear 2/4 T4). I remember back when my old-old guild were progressing in early 25 man content (ie. Gruul's lair), if you didn't do 800 dps, you were replaced by someone who could. If you want, I can show you MY gruul's lair dps charts next time I do it.


@everyone else: OK look, I'm sick and frigging tired of going over this argument time and time again. But hey, someone else wants to make the stupid waste-of-my-time argument again, so here I go. Want to know why lawl ret, truly? Because A.) Their dps is terrible, its just like MS warriors, unless you have the perfect party setup with every conceivable buff, then you're going to get smoked by most dps. B.) There is NEVER... I repeat NEVER a situation where a ret paladin being in the raid makes the difference between downing the boss, and wiping on it. Let me list off some examples:

Try to do Kael or RoSouls without a rogue.
Try to do Tidewalker or High King without a mage.
Try to do Mag (or Garr if you wanna go old-school) without a warlock.

Shaman's tremor totem can be a raid saver for archimonde.
Hunter's misdirect can be a raid saver if someone needs to pick up a mob far away or your offtank needs to build more threat
Shadow priest's mana regen can mean the difference between killing a boss and not.
Druid's hots can get a tank through silence.


There is simply no situation where a ret paladin makes the difference between a raid downing a boss, and not. That coupled with average dps, is why I have, and always will continue to believe in lawl ret, even if the rate-down monkeys don't let me say it anymore.

If it's better than what I got, than sure. That's kinda they key word there. Better. Well I guess better and free, i.e. instance drops. I'm not paying a huge bounty for gear which I know there is better gear for me which focus on the stats that I need in an instance.

At the same time, I wouldn't roll on the gear if the hunter was there and wanted it, cause hey... it's meant for him.



I meant that in my healing set I wouldn't hesitate to pick up cloth, just like in my dps set. I realize what you were saying.

impressive? i dont know. #1 and #2 on a successful HKM and Gruuls downing? yes. i would only care to see your dps charts if it included a Ret pally, otherwise WWS has a slew of T6 rogues kickin out 2k+. but if u'd like to post em anyway, this board is free. btw, i can usually do 700-800dps on my frostmage on a tank n spank boss, but i'll still choose my pally for relatively mobile fights like Gruul. buffs anyone?


on the topic of hunter/shammy gear: they are not really Ret pally qualified. warrior gear is the way to go with +str, +hit, +crit, +haste, armor penetration, see badge gear. if you dont have immediate access to that stuff, then a little piece of mail here and there is fine.

pve + pvp = frost

Actually, I'm starting to think PvE with frost is relatively possible(at least at the T5 level, will have to get back to you on T6 stuff when I see it more... and not on cutting edge progression guilds). However, even that being said, the builds are fairly different.

So even if one were to accept the possibility of raid frost, you can't have your cake and eat it too, as it were.