Why Lawl Ret?Follow

this argument is getting old.

Ret is great for low lvl arena, all BGs, 5mans, and 10mans. dps, for the respective gear lvl is above average. overall utility and buffs are again above average.

in 25 mans, gear tapers off a bit and dps doesn't increase accordingly. however, raidwide and partywide buffs become more relevant. Ret pallies are not always in "the melee group". some fights will have the Ret in one of the "dps groups" where the higher dps'ers will get the partywide buffs. so the argument "Holy pally can do a Rets job" rarely applies, because you wont always have a Holy pally in said group.

in hi lvl arena, the paladin's classwide(read: not just Ret) flaws are revealed. can you still break 2000? sure. is it easy? not if the SL/SL lock and Resto druid have anything to say.

i haven't been to Gruul's in a while. just downed High King:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh141/tommy0guns/PvE/WoWScrnShot_031508_205917.jpg

i'll post em as i go. im pvp spec atm, btw.

I'm sorry, I all of a sudden forgot about the past two years on this forum. Remind me again, at what point have we ever taken your screenshots seriously?

You'd get the "grats" if you were like, "Hey, check it out, I know the Ret spec isn't going to do the job for you, but if you really know how to play it you can do this: (insert screenshot here)."

You and version 2.0 seem to think that Ret is destined for the top of the meter by default and that the rest of us are just lying to ourselves because we're jealous of Ret and have concocted this huge conspiracy to keep the spec down. This is why you get the "stfu".

/nod



2% dps, 2%.

All to pull a ret pally from Windfury, Feral Crit, Warrior AP buff, etc? Effectively mitigating all sources they have to increase their dps. Why not use a BM hunter who gives the group a 3% dps buff. That might shave .8 seconds off a fight compared to a fraction less with Ret being in a caster group..

I am sure the Hunter enjoyed Windfury. /sarcasm

Did you have a click rotation on Mag?

It doesn't increase RAP, only MAP.

No I will admit I didn't have to do any clicking. But niether did the 2 rogues and the 1 dps warrior in my group and I beat them in the dps meters.

(sorry still looking for report)

I am so sick of hearing ppl badmouth the Ret pally. Like you said, it takes more skill than most of you posses or are willing to put forth. to start out we are offered the worse gear of any class by blizz then you have to contend with the fact that most ret pallys have no clue what they are doing. I have been playing the game for a little under 3 months, and have capped and gotten myself some decent gear, the pieces of the S1 set worth wearing. Playing ret is not for the light of heart or the lazy, if you want an easy no skill req class roll a lock, go afliction and have some fun, but I like melee and I like skill, so I am going ret. It takes time and dedication but a ret pally can pwn, outlast a warrior, crush a clothie and if you can see a rouge to hit him he is toast. you dont seem to complain about a ret pally when we save your butt in a BG or heal your whiny ***. All you nooblets to the genre, all you retards that have chosen WoW as your first MMO are just speaking from what you know, but I have been playing these games long before Blizz introduced their very communistic PvP system *meaning that its great in theory and horrible in practice.* So if you are on Suramar and this post hurt your little feeling come see big pappa Suffus and let m3 h4m3rz put you to rest, and to all you ret pallys taking it seriously, hang in there, dont just default to the nasty pvp gear that blizz offers you and keep at it. True, ret is a hard way to go in PvP but it can work and for the love of god, its a game, have fun with it.

Worst gear of any class... I would agree if they weren't fixing all that in the next patch. Out with the spell damage, in with the crit and resil.



Whole lot of experience you're bringing to this table.




Gotta love how you probably didn't even read this thread before posting. The reasons why ret sucks have nothing to do with BGs, it has to do with raiding and top tier arena. You can't just say "my class r0x because it requires more skill and I have more skill than j00." You come up against someone who knows what they are doing, and you may end up having a hard time with that clothie, warrior, or rogue or whatever you think is easy prey. Start doing some arena, get up in the brackets and you'll see just how much you fail.



Yeah.. NONE of us have played anything other than WoW. Either way... I don't really see your point. "You might know more about WoW because you play it a lot, but I know more than all of you because I've played other games.... even though this is a very WoW-specific topic." Yeah... probably should have thought about that one (probably this entire post) before putting it up here. It doesn't solidify your point and just makes you look more like an idiot.



The very fact that you used 1337 5p34k shows me that you aren't going to put any hammer near me, and my holy, prot, or ret paladin will whipe the floor with you. The PvP gear is going to be some of the best gear for Ret Paladins in the game, with the S3 gear already at that point. The ONLY sentence in your post that has any merit is that last one. It's your money, I can't tell you what to do with it. But for those who actually care about other people, about which is the best spec and will help out in a team environment (i.e. raiding and arenas) then we gotta tell them the god's honest truth.

I really don't know why I just broke your post down like that... You are already condemned to default or sub-default just from the idiotic way you decided to write that out. I guarantee you even ret paladins are going to rate you down, because you offered no points to the table of this discussion, attacked the forum members here, and used leet speak... AND it's your first post. Not a very good way to start out around here.




Well, the way I understand it, Enh Shamans already have a problem with their itemization. But I don't think anyone here would avoid a mail piece if it had better stats than their current piece.

both wrong. its not the gear, its how it is used. we need ALL stats(save spirit) for our spells and abilities. we want to be melee but are left with a book half filled with caster spells. we need talents or abilities to convert the playstyles like when a resto druid goes bear form.