Why Lawl Ret?Follow

that has no bearing on the class or spec, nor on the player. its up to the guild leader to recruit willing participants. if ret pally does not serve a purpose then he does not come, simple as that. but you cant rest the raid on his shoulders. oodles of rogues and mages tells me there is room to powerlevel a healer.

FWIW, i keep a +1400 healer, an uncrush tank, and an 800dps range dps in my back pocket.

No no, you see he's a friend of mine. They can't kick him out of the guild because he practically founded it. We're a bunch of uni students who met in high school, so we haven't had time to level a menu of raid-geared 70s each.

It has a great deal of bearing on the player, because he chats to everyone about how they need to start leveling their healer alts and he is playing a very powerful raid healing class but just refuses to respec. It's unfortunate that his is the same mindset of many retribution paladins I've met. They feel they have some sort of retadin pride, like they're part of a secret special club of people who make a useless spec useful. I think that's just the general type of person that Retribution appeals to; someone who wants big numbers on their screen like any DPS class, but doesn't want to feel fragile like a rogue or mage. A big sort of gung-ho "Yeah, I kick ***" fist-pounding high-five jock mentality that doesn't function in life past graduation.

I'm not saying every retadin is like that because that would be a stupid generalisation. And that kind of mentality doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with stupidity or incompetence. And hey, when it's only your concern, you can do whatever spec you want, I'm not going to be an *** about it in 5-mans. It's when there's nine guys pugging Kara for a healer when their DPS is a respec away from filling that position that it starts to be silly.

I guess you don't have any druids on your server =P. Although if they made BE druids, you probably would see the Tauren druids die out lol.

Yeah but I see your point. BEs even being on the Horde are sketchy at best, and as soon as they join up everyone makes one. I just don't have another option for Paladins on the Horde, and all my friends play on the horde, and I like playing with my friends more than how my character looks so that's my reason.

Thing is, you make a pretty race, and all the little "I don't want to look like a monster, but I want to be on the monster's side" kids join up.

Sanc aura in the tank group is meh, and only further gimps Ret dps so boo.

3% crit raid wide is meh, and easily performed by other pallies since it is so very low in the tree now.

CS keeping JoW is the biggest fricking buff a Ret pally brings and A LOT of people aren't smart enough to realize this. Click this Look at how much MP5 having JoW gives the entire raid. From personal experience JoW can be anywhere from 60-85 dps extra for our hunters alone.

On the issue of Ret DPS it is a subject that is situational enough that makes it barely worth discussing. Ret does aight in low level end game content, how well depends on the player behind it and who he is playing with and what the group set up is and about a dozen other things so, who gives a sh'it. Sub rogues can top damage meters in Kara if they are played well. The thing to note is that the further you go into raiding the greater the disparities between certain builds/class become. Much like Ret being OP at lvl 50 and then all of a sudden gimp at lvl 65 so goes it with 10 man karas vs 25 man Vashj kills.

In defense of ret: assuming no other paladins are in your raid group, can you truly ignore the utility of Blessing of Kings for better tanking, Blessing of Salvation for more DPS/less aggro, Judgement of Wisdom/ Crusade Strike adding to the raid’s mana regen, the paladin’s emergency/self healing capability, rez ability, Blessing of Protection to help aggro wipe healers and the various useful auras that any paladin brings to the party? Imp. sanctity aura’s 2% melee damage bump and Judgement of Crusader’s 3% critical bonus must count for something if you’re melee heavy. Sure, mages bring a food table and humanoid/animal CC, rogues can sap and stealth, shadow priests help regen mana, warlocks… what the heck do warlocks do (?), and arms/fury warriors don’t use mana – but aside from that can any of these DPS classes bring as much utility to the party?

There's tons of encounters where a group wishes they had a Pally tank.

There's even more encounters (pretty much any time where mobs hit HARD and they're expected to be damaging the tank) where groups wish they had a Pally healer.

I have never once seen a group wish they had a Ret Pally. But I'll gladly take them along once the CC slots are filled, especially if I know them to be a good person/player who knows what they're doing.

Yeah, I wonder if they knew blood elves were going to be so popular. They seriously need to modify the lore a bit and move the Horde capital to Silvermoon.

Seriously, the game is Blood Elves vs Night Elves. World of Elfcraft.

(they just need to add high elves and gnolls and everything would be peachy keen.)

Thanks for showing up, tommyguns version 2.0. Actually... he's been a fairly good boy lately. You may actually be worse than he is. Say it ain't so, Johnny!

SS or it didn't happen.



Low standards means everyone is a winner!


Edited, Mar 11th 2008 1:17am by RPZip

DEATH TO WARLOCKS!!!

I'll toss one more out there for you, with no disrespect intended toward ToJ or tommyguns and the other helpful retgurus here, but the vast majority -- possibly converging on 100% -- of the retadins I've had the joy of grouping with have been complete jerks. They're technically skilled in many cases and pump out appreciable DPS, but they've tended to be bossy, loot whores, or spend 3/4 of their time screaming at the tank and/or the healer.

I don't know if it's because they've developed an enormous chip on their shoulder because of all the 'in-game discrimination' or if it's because their daddies beat them on a nightly basis, but the fact is that most don't play nicely with others. My guess is that the spec attracts many people who are anti-social by nature and/or don't care about group performance as much as showing off their leet individual skills.

From a less prejudiced perspective, I keep asking myself whenever I form up a group, "When would I want a ret pally when I could have a DPS warrior and when would I want a DPS warrior when I could have a rogue?" I don't have a good answer for the question, other than availability. The ret pally in front of me who's available and ready to go is a better choice in most cases than the rogue I hope will log on in the next hour or so.

it hurts when you do roll a rogue, get to 70, and you get handed your first *** whoopin by a pally.

my set up right now allows me to eat any non-healer spec. including those ellusive frost mages.