2.4 is AWESOME nowFollow

I don't even do raids and I feel that way. Being able to go straight into the raid and killing Vashj and Kael is incredibly cheap. No attunement for Kara... cmon the quest isn't even that hard, and it's a nice tour of the instances if you are a fresh 70. It also cheapens the idea/lore that Karazhan can only be entered by those that Medivh wished to enter it by owning the Master's Key. Medivh must be rolling in his grave that all these rubes are running up into his tower and hosting their make out parties there.

I haven't read too much about a Magtheridon nerf. The only thing I read was he was going to be rebalanced to make him easier.. but not "Quest Green" easier, unless you were exaggerating.

My rogue has lost a place in several 5mans and at least 1 kara run due to the main tank being a pally. And to be honest, I totally agreed. I've even opted out of a heroic or two with a pally tank after explaining the sap problem.

This change, imo, is making something already useful even more so. And actually this makes me want to dust off my tankadin and get him up to Outlands finally.

CC is useful not only for the tank but for the party as a whole. Fewer active targets makes for more concentrated fire, simpler threat focusing and more efficient heals. It's not really a matter of if a tankadin can take on more mobs. It's a matter that with some groups it's just better to focus on fewer.

Just my two pennies.

Oh, and for the dropping of Kara attunement and other raid nerfs: I'll still be doing the attunement quests etc. at least once. 'Cause... well, ***** it that's why.

Look, it is really not hard to figure out. They're nerfing all the hard bosses because they want people to play them. If they keep it the way it is, the people in Kara now will be still struggling at Vashj when Wrath comes out and makes all their epix look like cheap candy.

They just want people to be able to smack the pit lord pinata around once or twice. Is that really horrible? You'll still be able to say "I downed Mag when he was hard." That's as much ego stroking as you need to keep you going until September.

Exactly. Look at the freshly 70, green geared people that poured into Heroics when they dropped the rep requirement ...

On the one hand I'm glad Attunements will no longer be needed. I just joined a higher end raiding guild as part of a merger, and I'm not keyed for Hyjal or BT yet, so if I had the gear I'd be able to get in those raids with 2.4. But therein lies the problem: still need the gear to be able to be worth a damn in those raids.

I also don't mind too much being able to shoot straight to Kael/Vashj cause it makes keying people much quicker and easier. Oh wait, THOSE WON'T BE NEEDED ANYMORE!

Honestly, I can see where some of these changes are being made for the betterment of the larger population of the WoW community. But at the same time, it is kindof a slap in the face to those who put forth the hours and hours of effort to do things the hard way. And as pointed out, kinda slaps their lore in the face too.

Oh well. They can't please everyone all the time. Someone will ALWAYS find SOMETHING to complain about.

I would agree if you couldn't still get Champion of the Naaru. You can pretty much 15 man Mag's Lair after 2.4, I know my prot pally can handle the first 3 channelers with little problems. 5 clickers/DPS, 3 tanks, 5 healers, 2 full time DPS/back up clickers?

First tank holds 1, 2nd tank holds 2, 3rd tank holds 2.

DPS down first channeler, take 2nd off 2nd tank, DPS it down, DPS down 3rd, take 4th off 3rd tank, DPS down, DPS down 5, first Blast Wave would hit around the end of the 3rd middle of 4th. After the channelers are dead it's straight tank and spank on til dawn. A long fight this way, yes, but a loot pinata that nets you a title that was supposed to be exclusive for the people that actually put in some serious work.

Hand of A'dal title is almost the same, though. The hours saved by not killing VR in TK and Morogrim/Leo/Karathress in SSC are going to create a pretty major streamline toward the real bosses of the instances and being able to save 2-3 hours worth of trash and bosses is going to really allow guilds to slug it out. Granted, most will be too scrubbly to win. Anyway, I like "Champion of the Naaru" better and I hate to see it cheapened.

Top end raiding gear (read T3) lasted well into Kara for most classes. Remember that when these guys were going into Kara, too, they weren't going in with stacked groups. Yes, general T1 and lesser T2 epics were replaced at the door in outlands, but the highest end items were useful until T4. This is supposed to be the case for WotLK also. What I don't want to see is every schmuck running around with the best in slot trash epics from MH/BT or even the tier gear. If you don't have "Hand of A'dal" as a title option, you don't deserve the loot. You didn't put in the work for it.