So Multi-shot won't break sheep on PTR...Follow

I dunno if I'd say that just yet. It's merely one of the many ways that people fail at hunter. I am still dumbfounded over the number of hunters I've met who when asked about their shot rotation (usually because they are below the tank for dps), don't use steady shot...

I think Blizz is wising up a bit. I can't say I think they are addressing it from a PvP viewpoint, but rather a logical one.

If you assume the 'hunter' has control over what targets are targeted by PvP, then it would be unlikely (not impossible, just unlikely) that they'd ever actually want to target a polymorphed target with a secondary shot from multi-shot. So, if you apply that logic, pick another target for arrows 2 & 3 if they are in range. If they aren't fire fewer shots in the multi. It makes a degree of logical sense.

In case of that rare time when you actually want the poly hit, make it so that multi breaks sheep if the primary target *IS* the poly'd target.

That leave the opportunity for huntards and unlucky guys like me to still hit the sheep because of timing issues. I dislike working with mages that don't use a poly macro stating intent to poly and target. Can't tell you how many times I've had an arrow flying at a target that poly's and is immediately broken. It's a real pain in the tush.

From my personal experience, I haven't had a problem poorly timing a shot with a sheep. Mainly because we mark the appropriate mobs that are sheep targets. You should not be shooting at them before or after.

None of the mages I run with use a poly macro, and TBH I think it would be very annoying chatspam. As long as you know the kill order and use your skills correctly, they shouldn't be broken.

Period.

I am the queen of rodent extermination...I so relate to this...

To be fair, arcane shot is blatantly infused with magic, maybe multi is too? :)

And if we're applying real logic to it, if you had 2 mobs with a sheep to the side, chances are you'd fire two arrows aimed towards the middle of the non-sheeped mobs.

Do not underestimate the skill of our characters! :)

But yeah, it's probably not worth thinking about in such detail.

No, that's Volley, where you put a bunch of arrows in the air and hope they hit. With Multishot, you don't HOPE they hit, the DO hit. If we're going to assume for gameplay mechanic's sake that Multishot actually hits all three targets, we can assume that our character is taking time to aim, which means he's taking time to pick targets. And even if he can't distinguish which ones necessarily, he knows better than to aim one at a 2 foot sheep when there's a 6 foot naga on the loose.

If you disagree, you should argue that our arrows have an equal chance to hit the tank and melee DPS as they do normal mobs and CC mobs, if we're going to merely "hope" our shots hit the enemy.

Oh, and our shots are homing arrows. Test it on clefthoofs or other mobs where the arrow targets the head. Even the head jiggle animation can make our arrow paths fly in ways that defy physics but still find their target.

Edited, Mar 8th 2008 12:13pm by Herbnosis

Both shots build on the same principle. My point is that unless the Hunter somehow uses magic to guide the arrows/bullets, it should hit random targets near the main target (the one you're locked on to).

My mother only plays Solitaire and Sudoku on her computer.

To be honest, hunters can use a/some buffs in arena.
Simply because Steady shot is next to useless there and thats 35-50% of our damage.
And besides damage, what do we have?

Uh...
1) Steady shot suffers push-back, so i dont know why you're freaked out about it. The problem with using steady shot in PvP is that if you're on the move steady shot adds a huge length of time before your next auto-shot. No mage is going to be weaving in frostbolt between wanding, and frost bolt has added effects over steady shot (slow and chance to root). And "the same cast time"...if by steady shot being about a 1 second cast, and frostbolt being a 2.5 second cast, that's the same thing - you need to work on your math skills a bit.
Oh, and a good mage should be using other abilities to, not just spamming frostbolt. Cone of cold, frost nova, ice lance, just to name a few.
2) As far as druids go, they were actually way OP when TBC first came out. Mangle (bear) worked just like mangle (cat), so they had to nerf the rate it could be cast and the amount of damage it did. Quickly after TBC came out, bears recieved a huge decrease in armor (from 450% to 400%) and mangle got nerfed so equally-geared tanks and DPS wouldn't be neck-and-neck on the damage charts. If druids were getting that big of nerfs, you would assume they were OP, and if druids haven't gotten buffs then you could assume that's maybe because they didn't need them at the time.

You are right in #1 skribs, my bad - I actually made you look worse on paper than you are, thanks for pointing that out. The "a good mage should be using other abilities bla bla bla" is the same as saying that a good hunter should use other abilities than their steady shot like arcane shot, aimed shot (can be tough to get off but it's more or less a win if you manage to pull it off), wing clip, traps, scatter shot, siliencing shot etc. Oh and I forgot to mention your pet I guess - preventing a healer from drinking whilst mana draining him owns in arenas.



A) Remember, we are talking PvP, not PvE. The nerf was warrented at that time being, but go look in a mirror and try to convince yourself that feral druids aren't in need of a buff, then come back. If you manage to convince yourself, feel free to post on any forum on the internet with your arguments and watch your post get owned. As long as you remember to put feral in bold so people notice it's not resto druids you talk about.
B) Resto druids still went from being the worst healer to the best for small brackets because the druid community adapted, not becuase we were buffed like others. We had to adapt, and we always had. You manage to pull the only time druids have been OP out of your sleeve, yet you forget to talk about what the topic was originally about - wheter or not hunters should be given more tools for arena. I will once again say:

If you as a hunter don't manage to break the 2k (or AT LEAST 1850) mark there are 2 options as to why:
1)You as a player suck at your class.
2)your gear (don't go to arenas in PvE gear with 0 resilience, wtf do you expect?) (which again falls back on you as a player)

Notice: it's not becuase your class lacks the tools. You just gotta face that the nuke is dead in TBC, what wins games are to run the opposing teams healers oom.

EDIT: to RPzip - you are right, ofc we got 15% less dmg taken up all the time, actually it's more like an aura so all our party members get it - oh wait - NO. It was raised with from 2/3/4 to 1/3/5 - Do you really think it's the extra 3 percent (that's assuming the entire stack is up) brought resto druids from the worst to the best healers? If 3% kills your WF RNG luck RP I feel sad for you. So tell me again, do you really think that buff turned druids from the worst healers to the best in smallscale arena?
The FC "buff" was more of a fix imo, but ok we can call it a buff if you want.
Druids still got the worst mana regen - the intensity buff was for the moonkins first, secondly for restos. Druids rely on drinking to regain mana, and that's getting nerfed.
I still don't get how any of this warrents hunters to get more buffs? They are good enough as they are. They are better off than many other classes actually (thinking about the shamans especially here).

Edited, Mar 9th 2008 12:06pm by krqllebqlle

Edited, Mar 9th 2008 12:08pm by krqllebqlle

Hunters also weren't the least represented class in arenas before the Arcane and Aimed Shot buff...

And now we're way below all other classes, maybe except for Retribution Paladins. It's been like this since ever. Druids get a temporary buff which is completely negated at end-game because every other class scales better.

One of the core talents needed for a Feral build gives us 150% of our level in attack power. That's 105 attack power at level 70 and guess what, it stops there. At level 80 it'll be 120 attack power, an increase of 15 attack power, or roughly 1 DPS.

Whoop-dee-doo.

It's true that Druids were severely overpowered when Mangle was put in the talent tree, but they overdid it with the nerfs. Did completely forgot about scaling.