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#1 Mar 05 2008 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm confused. I'm going to gear up for Kara, but I have the sticky for that.

What I need is to gear up for PvP. I have just under 27k honor, and have been saving up. I also have an arena team and just over 400 points(started 2 weeks ago, been winning only 15% of our games, being brand spanking new 70s).

Now, what should I go for? I thought I'd save up for nice melee weapons with arena points and get the Xbow with my honor(then other pieces), but I have no idea whether I'm looking at the right ones or not. I also have no idea where all the vendors are, or if some of them are by the world BGs(IE: Like WSG gear in barrens).

I also have NO idea of what is S1 gear, and what is S3, although I've heard about both. I'm a bit confused, and not sure about where to go/what to buy. I REALLY don't want to spend 27k honor on that Xbow, for example, if it's going to end up being a waste in 2-3 weeks(I'm a very casual gamer, and have to make the most of my time).

Please, please, PLEASE help me out. Vendors, names of gear, what I should buy.... I have no idea. Any explanation is gladly appreciated.

#2 Mar 05 2008 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
WoWwiki comes through again. Seoson 3 is posted there, and the armor set is call Pursuit. Cost 8.5K HP allthe weapons are there also.

Arena_Rewards

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Edited, Mar 5th 2008 10:34pm by alcattle
#3 Mar 05 2008 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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Get the S1 shoulders from BG´s first. doesnt matter if they are a small or a big upgrade, they look impressive and people tend to think Free Kill! for anyone who doesnt have them (as that is most likely someone in greens) and attack you.
#4 Mar 06 2008 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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Funny, I was just thinking about the same thing, also very confused. I am doing BG's now and was looking at some hunter armor sets.

Am I correct in assuming that the Veteran's Armor would be a good choice?
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Edited, Mar 6th 2008 9:04am by Deaver
#5 Mar 06 2008 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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As said, if you plan to do more pvp get the S1 shoulders first, no matter what.
It seriously reduces the amount of times you are attacked first by a 3rd.
At least thats what i experienced, from the moment i had my S1 i died lots less and killed more/did more dmg in BG's.
Because of them being so big and flashy, its a big <I've got PvP gear so i'm no free kill!> sign.


edit: and its vindicator now :P

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 9:14am by Aethien
#6 Mar 06 2008 at 12:53 AM Rating: Excellent
Don't buy melee weapons. The only melee weapon you want as a hunter is the Season 3 hunter only 2 hand from arena for 1k Arena points clicky.

Spend your honor on two Season 1 (gladiator) pieces. With those you get the first set bonus of 35 resilence which is worthwhile for arena. Get the shoulders and another item where you seriously lack stats (especially up your stamina).
Spend the rest of you honor on vindicator's items. Those have excellent stats. A ton of stamina, resilence, crit and ap.
After you have bought the Season 3 axe from your first 1000 Arena points, spend the rest of your arena points on either Season 3 or Season 2 gladiator gear.

You'll need at least 10k HP unbuffed and >200 resilence without gimping your other stats to hard to be somewhat competitive in Arena.
For Battlegrounds you need a lot less as most players seem to be worse equipped.

Just to give you a few numbers. Decked in Season 3 and 2 armor and vindicator/veteran gear I have 13k HP and 340 resilence unbuffed. Those are your opponents at >1600 rating (and often you might fight against excellent equipped teams at 1400-1500 rating). So don't be discouraged if you'll loose against those teams, it is not skill but pure equip which is the reason for you loosing against those teams.
#7 Mar 06 2008 at 5:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I have seen some people in the Gladiator gear, and actually I think it looks pretty ugly.
#8 Mar 06 2008 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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and euhm, what does that have to do with anything said before?




just curious
#9 Mar 06 2008 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Aethien wrote:
and euhm, what does that have to do with anything said before?




just curious

Well, nothing/or everything, depends on if you care what it looks like or not ;) just a remark.

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 3:42pm by Deaver
#10 Mar 06 2008 at 6:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Alright, so I should buy two pieces of armor before buying the X-bow? I've been told differently by everyone else ingame, telling me to save up for the X-bow(as it is the most expensive to get, and will help in both PVE and PVP).

I believe I'll still go with the X-bow first although it is a very hard choice now that I've been told otherwise. Along with this comes another question... is the Xbow the best I can get? I looked in the sticky for other ranged weapons that might be better, but there is nothing until heroics/revered reputation to some towns.

So, I'll go with the X-bow first to up my damage(unless I'm shown another ranged weapon that is better than the Valanos Longbow I already have by a significant margin), then work on getting my shoulders and other pieces afterwards. I might even end up having another piece by the end of the weekend.

As for my arena points, I still don't know what to buy. I don't have the rating needed to buy S3 gear and thought the 2handers from the vendor in gadgetzan looked pretty nice. Upon visiting the wowwiki site though, I found out the vendors are in Area-52? I'm still so confused about arena points.

By the by, rate ups to everyone who helped. Thanks guys/gals. : )
#11 Mar 06 2008 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
baveux wrote:
Alright, so I should buy two pieces of armor before buying the X-bow? I've been told differently by everyone else ingame, telling me to save up for the X-bow(as it is the most expensive to get, and will help in both PVE and PVP).

I thought your focus was PvP.
For PvP you want resilence and hit points first, damage comes after that. Thus the PvP bow is not the thing to buy first.
If your focus is PvE and you want some gear upgrades from doing PvP for your PvE equip, then the PvP ranged weapon might be more interesting (although I'd still go for the other slots as there are three ranged weapons dropping in Karazhan alone and Valanos is a good bow to start raiding with).

baveux wrote:

I believe I'll still go with the X-bow first although it is a very hard choice now that I've been told otherwise. Along with this comes another question... is the Xbow the best I can get? I looked in the sticky for other ranged weapons that might be better, but there is nothing until heroics/revered reputation to some towns.

Doing a heroic several times or upping your rep is a lot less time consuming and probably easier than saving up > 25k honor.

baveux wrote:
As for my arena points, I still don't know what to buy. I don't have the rating needed to buy S3 gear and thought the 2handers from the vendor in gadgetzan looked pretty nice.

Most Season 3 items do not need a special rating. Shoulders need a 2000 rating. The Season 3 ranged weapon needs a 1850 rating. All other things do not need a rating at all.
The Season 3 melee weapon I mentioned in my post above does not need a rating, costs only 1000 points and unless you are survival specced is one of the best melee weapons for hunters in the whole game. A must have for all specs except survival.
baveux wrote:
Upon visiting the wowwiki site though, I found out the vendors are in Area-52? I'm still so confused about arena points.

By the by, rate ups to everyone who helped. Thanks guys/gals. : )

The arena vendors are in Area 52 and in Nagrand (next to the Nagrand arena, hard to miss and easy to reach from Shatt).
There you can buy all Season 2 (merciless ...) and Season 3 (vengeful ...) gear. You can also see which rating are required and what the stuff costs (the arena points you need to buy an item).
#12 Mar 06 2008 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
So why ask for help if you already had your mind made up? I highly suggest you listen to those that have posted suggestions. You need no rating to get the S3 hunter axe that Mulgrin linked. Buyin the cross bow would also be a waste. I agree with everyone else that you should get the shoulders/and something else from the s1 guy in the Hall of legends. Anything you get is going to be an upgrade in pve dps as well as help you in pvp. Valanos bow will carry you until you can get something better. Why drop all your honor on the xbow, when the other gear will most likely increase your dps more then that xbow.
#13 Mar 06 2008 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Why drop all your honor on the xbow, when the other gear will most likely increase your dps more then that xbow.


This is EXACTLY what I needed to be told. Thank you.

Alright, Xbow be damned. Shoulders first, then another piece. I'll prob have to keep playing to get more marks now, but it might not be so bad.

Also, thank you very much for the info on the 2handed weapon from S3. It was very much appreciated.

Now I have some direction, so TYVM to all. But, one last question.

When should I get the Xbow? Should I get the full set first, and weapon after, or only 2 pieces of the set, then the weapon?

Thanks tons everyone. More rate-ups on the way.
#14 Mar 06 2008 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
If you plan on running Kara, which you stated, there are some nice options in there for ranged weapons, if not then that would be the last piece i would get. When s4 drops, the s2 xbow will be avail for honor, so u could get that. What spec are you BTW? Ive seen hunters in s1/s2 gear do 1k dps in SSC, so that gear will cary you through kara, but again it really depends on what spec you are, whether or not Kara will offer you much besides raiding experience.
#15 Mar 06 2008 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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Here is my opinion....

Save arena points for the 1k S3 axe

Use your BG points to get the epic non-set pvp items "Vindicators" gear... They are the equivalent of S3 arena gear and will help you in both pvp and pve

When 2.4 comes out exchange some unneeded marks and get the S1 shoulders, then work your way through the rest of the S1 based on what is the biggest upgrade.

Also run some heroics and get a nice gun or farm and get Gyro-Balenced Khorium Rifle it has nice damage and tons of stamina.
#16 Mar 06 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Now I'm losted. : (

Non-set vindicators gear?

Edit: I already have enough for two pieces of S1, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

Maybe I'm dumb enough to need links to the exact gear you guys are talking about? Remember, this is the first I hear/talk about any of this.

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 12:18pm by baveux
#17 Mar 06 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
baveux wrote:
Now I'm losted. : (

Non-set vindicators gear?

Learn to use the search function :-)

Here are the non-set pvp epic bracers for hunters: Vindicator's Chain Bracers

A search of "vindicator's chain" should show you all pieces which are available.
Something like that: http://wow.allakhazam.com/search.html?q=Vindicator%27s+Chain

Thats the stuff you should buy after the first two Season 1 items (and you might want a pvp insignia to break a fear or disorient effect every two or five minutes).

There are other items (rings, amulet, the pvp insignia). Just visit your PvP item vendor in Stormwind (and whereever that guy is for the Horde) to see all items you can buy with honor.
You'll find every item here on Alla, but It'll be a tad more convenient to just go to those guys in game and check out what they have.
#18 Mar 06 2008 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
The non set vindicators gear is boots, belt, bracer,neck and ring. They can be found in the hall of legends /whatever the alliance is. This is more of an option if your going to be pvp oriented, and have no set bonus for having multiple pieces. Im pretty sure with 27k honor you could pick up at least 2 peices s1, which i still say is the better option. Those will give you a nice jump in your raiding gear. The vindicator stuff is a little more pricey then the s1 gear.

The up side to getting the vindicator stuff first is that when s4 arena starts, the gear will still be there, whereas the s1 will be replaced with s2 which is obviously better then the s1 gear. The great thing about being a hunter in bg's is that you can get away with having less resil, and still tear sh*t up.

If you plan on sticking with the arena team, you may want to get the vindicator stuff first, and get as much s3/s2 as you can with arena, and use your honor on the vindicator stuff.

I still say to get the s1 however, because as a new 70, you are way behind as far as pvp gear goes, and the gear will help you with pve as well. I guess to sum up what i said is this:
PVE oriented, grab the s1 stuff first.
PVP oriented, grab the vindicator stuff first.

edit:Mulgrin you and i keep posting at the same time lol

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 1:12pm by montaghar
#19 Mar 06 2008 at 1:05 PM Rating: Excellent
montaghar wrote:
edit:Mulgrin you and i keep posting at the same time lol
Edited, Mar 6th 2008 1:12pm by montaghar


Yeah, thats wierd, and we are basically saying the same thing *g*
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#20 Mar 06 2008 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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Is it still worth it to buy Season 3 gear? I just started my arena team and our goal is to save our points for Season 4 while we learn (the hard way) the ins and outs of arena. I'm not sure how much longer S3 will last, but I'd rather have a leg up on the next upgrade of gear.
#21 Mar 06 2008 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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No one is currently sure how long S3 will last (unless there's a secret posting that i've never found). It might come with patch 2.4, but maybe not.

I grabbed the S2 Xbow with my arena pts first because pve and pvp are pretty balanced in my schedule, and having a hot ranged weapon turns me on... mmmmmmmmmmm.......

This is me giving another option opposed to what has been posted before. I'm not saying their advice is the wrong way to do it, but it's not the way i would... you can find the logic in my thinking if you want:
Assuming you are happy with your ranged weapon, I'd spend your arena pts on S3 gear that doesnt require a rating (everything but shoulders). With that said, use your honor on S1 gear (shoulders first, since you cant get S3 shoulders). IF your boots, wrists, or belt are still green or lower level blues, replace those soon with the vindicator stuff (S3 non-set gear). You will want the S3 neck and rings, along with the CC-trinket (insignia/medallion)...

In other words, there's a long list that will get longer with S4... Remember to gem/enchant for stamina too, though i always grab balanced/shifting nightseyes when the socket is red/blue. The 18 stm/+stun resist meta gem is nice too. That reminds me!! Get the highest level head piece that you can, since you'll be putting a meta in there and they are the most expensive and offer more bang for the slot than regular gems do.
#22 Mar 07 2008 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
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Just to add, you want the good pvp trinket.
The 17k honor one, not the 2.5k honor one and the 3 min shorter cooldown and 20 resillienc are worth it.
(mostly because it'll be on cooldown nearly all the time ;) )
#23 Mar 07 2008 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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This is a great post. I had this question as well. My hunter isn't going to raid so PvP is the way i'm going. Too lazy to farm 3 mains right now for epic purple craftables.....gah I have NO life.
#24 Mar 11 2008 at 5:24 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't seen this mentioned, but if I missed it, sorry.

My advice is Vindicator's first. Why? Because come 2.4, honored reputation with Outland instances will allow you to buy blue PvP gear for gold. While it's not as good as the epics for honor, the set of 5 will get you over 100 resilience, and you don't have to spend a single HP. I bet right now, if you were thinking about Karazhan, you're already honored with KoT/Lower City/Sha'tar. Thrallmar/Honor Hold is usually made honored just by questing and maybe an instance or two. CE is also easy to get to honored just by quests and an instance or two.

Easily alternative to buying stuff with honor. Get Vindicator's instead; it's item level is equivalent to Black Temple loot, compared to Gladiator's, which is equivalent to Karazhan. O_O
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