Some serious stam issues with my MageFollow

Like the title says, my mage's health is just pathetic....Even for a mage at lvl 70.

I dont understand why. I fancied my gear (for the most part, I am still working on it) to be fairly decent (Full Spellfire and Spellstrike + a couple other epics then all blues) but I keep finding myself significantly lower on health than every other person I group with.

Raiding, heroics etc...Seriously, like the SMALLEST mistake always means my death. Granted my spec isnt for pvp, but again, can you say 1 shot?

My dps is fine, and I would like to keep it where it is (Or improve preferably) and not expend it for Stamina if at all possible. I've thrown on some Stam chants, and will get the expensive threads on my armor where applicable soon.I also do intend on getting full vindicator (almost have my second pce now).

I know mages are SUPPOSED to be fragile and all, but I think my case might be a little extreme?

Anywho, I guess my talking about it isnt going to give as much info as my armory:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Demon+Soul&n=Deadkidd


Any feedback would be nice on the issue, and if you can give any tips on anything else you might see that could be tweaked, I would love to hear it :D

Thanks all

Edited, Mar 5th 2008 12:35am by kazump

Never do :P



Already do :P




No, its my health :P

I do appreciate your input, and dont want this to sound rude (I really do appreciate your input) but i think you jumped to conclusions about me.

Maybe I should have been more clear. Let me put forth a couple examples that might define my problems more.

2nd last, and last boss in shattered halls. Even in regular, I almost get killed everytime (Yes, for the 2nd last boss, I DO stop DPSing hoping tank will regain aggro, but once they dump aggro from tank, they dont get off of me until I'm dead, and ice block only lasts so long. Invisibility is rendered useless if I am getting pounded on. I do use invisibility earlier in fight to let others get ahead of me on aggro, but I always end up catching up (DPS is my job after all, and in heroics and such, i think its usually a better idea to drop bosses FAST)

Ive tried heroic Shat. Halls a few times. Always get killed there.

Shadow Labs, same thing, Blackheart, after mind control he dumps aggro. I DO NOT dps him until tank gets him. Sadly, before tank gets him, he charges someone, and if that happens to be me, GG.

Cleaves, AoE's, "[insert spell] Volley's", (interupt) charges etc, those are what my issue is, and Stam is what would help...or any other type of avoidance some may be able to shed light on for me.

Ty for response thus far, hope I can hear from a few more!

Edited, Mar 5th 2008 1:58am by kazump

Those are not your job(ok, if you can avoid it, do so) to worry about. Those are the healer's job to deal with. If you're doing your job, there's not a fight in heroics or Kara with an unavoidable AoE that a decently geared healer can't heal the group through. There just isn't. And your level of health would put you at an acceptable level for even Shade of Aran, who is the one I'd say comes closest. If the healer can't keep up with the damage you're taking, one of three things is happening.

1)The tank is undergeared and the healer is having to work unduly hard to heal them.
2)You've gone and ****** up. Move out of the void zone faster, kemosabe.
3)The healer just isn't all that good.

It actually is that simple.

I would have a look at the enchants you have. On your chest, you could have +150 health instead of +8stam and your pants could have +35dmg and +20stam instead of +8stam. Just these changes could get you big changes.

I guess gear is one thing but gems and enchants also make a huge difference.

By the way, I only have 6,883hp unbuffed, but I seem to be doing just fine with using my frost shield when required and sometimes iceblock to give the healer time to get to me.

Edited, Mar 5th 2008 2:04pm by Laroche

Mages aren't known for their health. If a raid/instance boss hits you, you are pretty much going to die if you don't IB or HS or pot really quick. Stamina is one of the least important stats in terms of Hit/Dmg/Crit/Int/Stam, mages die, it happens. Heck, we don't count it as a raid unless sheep breaks and one of the mages gets one shotted before he can be re-crowd controlled :)

I have around 9k fully raid buffed in T4/Gruul/Kara epics (14k in my tanking gear), but you are just fine. Mostly the problem would be bad tanks, bad healers, bad luck, or a combination of the 3.

The point is that its frustrating how we mages are one of the only classes that have to use pvp/stamina gear in some fights. And in my opinion that is stupid. Our hp has not scaled properly with the amount of aoe damage in raids. And I am dissapointed with blizzard for this.

Thank you all for your input.

So I gather gemming and some enchants are the best solution to my problem. The weak +8/+10 stam enchants, or the cheap gems currently socketed are just for lack of anything better atm. I dont have a whole lot of cash, but they are definately something that are in the works for me.

Now just to build on that, what would you veterans suggest I socket with? Ive seen a couple say Stam, some say hit/dmg etc. I see and understand how they are all important to the mage class. Anyone with personal experience that can steer me into the right direction? I suppose a healthy mix of both would be optimal. Perhaps a ratio? 50/50 stam/(hit/dmg)? 60/40? etc.

And where would you recommend the search for such gems? I know the PvP ones are pretty good, but at around 6-7K a piece...that could take a while. Heroics I've been doing plenty but havent seen a whole lot of gems dropping, let alone caster ones that I win.

Thanks all again

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 1:41am by kazump

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 1:42am by kazump

I'm also having stamina issues. My guild has health requirements for certain raids (can't remember which ones) that is at 7000 health because of AoE damage.

The problem with the Spellfire set and Spellstrike sets is that they are low on stamina, so you'll have to compensate elsewhere. I myself haven't figured out what I'm going to do since I don't want to be popping Stamina gems in my slots. (I use the combo Stamina + something else ones.)

I sometimes see mages at around the same level with 10000 health - I think they get there with PvP gear. Since I'm focused on PvE, I think I won't hit that any time soon.

Agreed, keep a second set of gear for a stam set. Only certain bosses will you use it on, for instance 2nd to last in za is hexlord. On that fight i gear up to over 10000 health so i can pretty much take a full set of shadowbolts each time if needed. But for most fights you need the gear set with max hit/damage.