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#1 Mar 01 2008 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi guys, I have just started up a Lock and have a few questions about the class.

I have a 70 Mage and Priest so I didnt really want another class that uses a staff for stats.

What would be a good combination of single hand/off hand to use instead?
I see some Locks use a dagger as a main, is this preferred?
Naturally he shouldnt be in fighting distance as ranged/pet attacks are the go but I'am thinking more for damage and stam. what weapon combo would be best?
I'am only lvl20 for now so still have a way to go yet.

Another question is stats, do I keep my stam. above or even with my int. points?
I know life tap gives me more int. so I'am thinking I need more stam. to be safe.

Also do I look for more shadow damage, I'am mainly an affliction Lock, over stam and int. items?

Thanks for the help :)
#2REDACTED, Posted: Mar 01 2008 at 7:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well m8, to be as honest as i can...
#3 Mar 02 2008 at 3:33 AM Rating: Good
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you are not even close to proper end game aren't ya?


No I'am not, I told you that.

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you sure you have any lvl 70 char?


Not sure what you mean by this?

Because I have 2 level 70's already I'am supposed to know everything about every class?
Sorry mate but no I dont and without rolling that class first why would I even take an interest?
I dont have a Rogue or a Warrior and I know nothing about them, do you assume because I have 70's I should know?

Anyway its not what I originally asked, I dont want a third toon using a staff basically so I'am trying to find a combination of something else that would be compatable.

As for what stats to look for, like I said stam. seems to be the way to go to help with Lifetap but should I be looking at shadow damage as well?
With my frost mage I use the frozen shadoweave armour set with the spellstrike set, these stats are based for my frost spec. but at lower levels I didnt concentrate so much on frost damage as much as basic spell damage.

Do I treat the shadow damage the same way?

Also at 70 apart from the Void armour I've seen do I look at the frozen shadoweave set again?
That is a little way off but to save and make it again with my Lock will take time anyway.

I've asked a few level 70 locks on my server about all this and like anything theres never the same answer twice.
The basis of my post is to see what the majority of people here think to help me make my decisions.

I've never used single hand/off hand before so I'am unsure if its a better deal than a staff in the long run.

I've seen frost mages with swords and off hands instead of staff's so again I'am not sure if there is a right or wrong answer for this.

Thanks for any help.
#4 Mar 02 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Default

@ RodStorm

well, i asked you about having lvl 70 chars because it would give you an exellent opportunity to do some lvl 70 content and by doing so inspecting some lock.

but, alas, lets take it step by step...

main hand as a single item or min/offhand depends on what gear is accessible to you. also it depends whether you'll be pvp or pve oriented.

arena season 2/3 staves are nice. but, on the other hand so is the Wub's Cursed Hexblade in combo with the jewel of infinite possibilities.

as you lvl just grab what is available based on stats you'll get from it.

stats go as;

+hit--->+damage--->+sta

mow, the +sta bit is dodgy since we may have some upcoming changes on it but it shouldn't worry you until lvl 70.

also, it is important that you figure out which talent tree you'll go with but it depends solely on your preference up until you join end game guild. also, your choice of talents will dictate your gear somewhat. for example, demo/aff spec will benefit from frozen set as you'll be doing shadow damage. if you go destro you might consider spellstrike as well because of the crit/hit.

so, there is a lot of versatility depending on which talent tree you want to follow. prior to high lvls just go with +sta, +int and spell damage. you see it, you grab it :)

at lvl 70, yes, you will have to be more careful about your choice, but before you'll have to figure out how you want to play your lock.

yes, you said that you are mainly affliction now, but at lvl 20... well, lets just say it is apt to change over the lvl-ing course. :P but, if you do stick it id you need +sta +int +damage. later on + hit +damage +sta. most of the items you'll be looking at will have a combination of those on it.

then you can also throw a look @;

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=9;mid=1124389002262539359;num=59;page=1

and

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=9;mid=1168531376231705410;num=58;page=1

so, sticky ftw! :)



#5 Mar 02 2008 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks mate really appreciate the reply.
I can get my mage to bankroll me through for awhile so getting the right gear that I dont get in drops shouldnt be a problem.
I dont plan to pvp much this time, around mainly pve and never do arena's.
My guild at this point doesnt have a preference for my end result but that will probaly change once I get to 70 again but I have a bit of time to worry about that.
Demon/Afflic. is the path I'd like to follow as I think its more suited to my gameplay.
Its mainly the gear I was worried about but you explained it well so I'll take your advice into consideration.
Thanks again for the help :)
#6 Mar 04 2008 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
He asked because it's kind of strange for someone to only use a staff as a mage (and to a lesser degree a priest) at level 70 unless it's either A) Arena or B) their first epic weapon. The combination of main/offhand is just overwhelming unless you need an influx of stam/int. It's even stranger for someone to not know the basic stat distributions of other classes, especially the main differences between their own class and another that would be competing for gear.


Zielock, of course, failed to articulate this when felt the need to pick on you since he has been getting his *** handed to him for being such a rampaging fail-bot in another thread.


The truth, however, past the answers about leveling up, is that you are going to actually have to turn your brain on and look at available gear, comparing it to your own, to find the best possible stat distribution. Asking if a staff is better than a main/offhand is actually a pretty open ended (and thus stupid) question. A green "of the sorcerer" blade with a matching offhand will not compare to a staff of infinite mysteries, which is going to be far inferior to a Fang of the Leviathan/Chronicle of Dark secrets combo.

In general staves will net you more HP/Mana while the caster version of dual wielding gets you more damage.


If my answer seems a bit mean, it's probably because it would have taken you less time to come up with the same answer on your own than reading these posts if you had bothered to even try.
#7 Mar 05 2008 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default

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Zielock, of course, failed to articulate this when felt the need to pick on you since he has been getting his *** handed to him for being such a rampaging fail-bot in another thread.


after i have answered the dude and he told me "thanks", you still do feel compelled to troll about... or you will make it your personal issue to follow me around now [insert snicker]

go ------> http://forums.wow-europe.com/index.html?sid=1

and knock yourself out.

you boy are a fail :)

read in full ftw ;)



#8 Mar 06 2008 at 3:54 AM Rating: Good
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after i have answered the dude and he told me "thanks", you still do feel compelled to troll about... or you will make it your personal issue to follow me around now [insert snicker]


Firstly, l2spell.

Secondly, just because you answered someone's question (in a substandard way, I might add) and he politely thanks you doesn't mean you're not an ******* **** sphincter. Saying someone's obviously "nowhere near endgame" is not a pleasant way to act. If someone chooses to go down a different playstyle to you, like levelling alts as opposed to pointlessly criticizing other people's gear/progression/whatever 24/7, that's their choice.
#9 Mar 06 2008 at 6:26 AM Rating: Good
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All I'am going to say to the above couple of posts is yet again NO I do not know much about other classes unless I have played them.
How else would I know?
I couldnt care less about a warrior or a rogue unless I've had a go at playing them.
As for being stupid by asking my questions, well isnt that what the forums are for?
Asking questions for help?
Sometimes peoples vanity gets in the way of normal judgement.

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 2:27pm by RodStorm
#10 Mar 06 2008 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
Another good spot to get some info without having people start arguing about the answer someone else gave you is in the stickied posts on the board, lot of good info about builds, gear, and playstyles there.
#11 Mar 06 2008 at 11:35 PM Rating: Default
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Thanks Hinaelark, will take your advice.
Nice to get an answer that wasnt negative.
Out of interest at lvl70 would a combo of Battlecast/Frozen Shadoweave armour sets be better than Spellstrike?frozen Shadoweave armour?
My frost mage has the latter sets and I didnt really want to double up on the same armour again.
#12 Mar 06 2008 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks Hinaelark, will take your advice.
Nice to get an answer that wasnt negative.
Out of interest at lvl70 would a combo of Battlecast/Frozen Shadoweave armour sets be better than Spellstrike?frozen Shadoweave armour?
My frost mage has the latter sets and I didnt really want to double up on the same armour again.


Spellstrike is far better for DPSing, and ever so slightly worse for PvP.

Of course, the materials for Spellstrike are a lot harder to get when you consider the 4-day cooldown on Spellcloth. Better hope you have some kind of external source for extra Spellcloth.
#13 Mar 14 2008 at 6:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok one last question on armour, I see a lot of Locks walking around with the face of a void walker.
Is there a certain headpiece that does this or is it something I get of the talent tree's at a later date?
Thanks.
#14 Mar 14 2008 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
T4 Gearset drops (mostly Kara Mag's Lair) or Season 1 Arena Gear.

If your not a raider, the easiest way to acheive this look is definatly the S1 gear, however it obviously has PVP stats, not the +Hit and Crit you're gonna need to raid.
#15 Mar 16 2008 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the reply, I dont do arena's so that will be a problem and my guild is still working of 10 geared people for Kara.

Anyway a new question, from what I've seen Lock gear seems to be similar to my frost mage gear prior to Kara, SSC etc.

At this point I have already the Frozen Shadoweave and Battlecast sets ready for when I hit 70 with my Lock but I'am stuck with what else I'll need that will be different from my mage.

My frost mage has: Spellstrike and Frozen Shadoweave armour sets, crystal weave bracers, charlottes ivy for neck, lola's eve and band of the guardian rings, girdle of ruination, segants heavy cloak, soulcloth gloves, gladiators war staff and touch of defeat wand.

Like I said before the Frozen Shadoweave is a certainty with the Battlecast armour but do I follow the same lines as my mage or what else should I be looking at prior to the higher instances like Kara?

Thanks.
#16 Mar 21 2008 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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No takers with the above post?
#17 Mar 22 2008 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
Well rodstorm it depends on what spec your gonna go as a 70 lock. I think it's good that you have frozen shadoweave ready for your lock but I think that your battlecast will be useless for your lock. The first thing i would do when i hit 70 as you is grind honor until you replace whatever greens you may still have. Then either work on getting good pve gear or focus on getting a arena team.
btw i highly recommend leveling affliction and then going into demo and getting improved imp.
#18 Mar 26 2008 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the reply, most people I haves spoken to think the Battlecast/Frozen Shadoweave sets are a good combination so it was interesting to hear what you said.
I'am also looking at getting the Belt of Blasting for a bit more firepower.
I pve mainly and at 70 will be looking at raiding so based on that not so sure pvp armour is the way to go from the bg's.
But I could be wrong :)
Affliction and Demon are the talents I'am doing, moreso affliction, but again you mentioned the imp which is something I didnt think most people would use at 70.
In an instance I guess he would be good as extra fire power but isnt the Felguard a better option?
That I'am not sure about as I'am still level 48 so havent gotten one yet.
But i have seen a few 70's around withnthe imp so is he the pet of choice later on in the game?
Thanks again for the help.
#19 Mar 26 2008 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the reply, most people I haves spoken to think the Battlecast/Frozen Shadoweave sets are a good combination so it was interesting to hear what you said.
I'am also looking at getting the Belt of Blasting for a bit more firepower.
I pve mainly and at 70 will be looking at raiding so based on that not so sure pvp armour is the way to go from the bg's.
But I could be wrong :)
Affliction and Demon are the talents I'am doing, moreso affliction, but again you mentioned the imp which is something I didnt think most people would use at 70.
In an instance I guess he would be good as extra fire power but isnt the Felguard a better option?
That I'am not sure about as I'am still level 48 so havent gotten one yet.
But i have seen a few 70's around withnthe imp so is he the pepet of choice later on in the game?
Thanks again for the help.


Lemme try to help you here.

The FSW set and the Spellstrike set are the sets of choice for raiding. PvP armor can be ok, but the FSW and Spellstrike/Battlecast are better.

The Imp is a great pet for Affliction. NOT for the extra fire power though. His damage is negligable, and uses his mana. He is there as a Mana Battery, Dark Pact with the Imp leaves you with pretty much infinite mana. His Sta Buff is also great. However, I'll reiterate, you should NEVER use him for "firepower".
#20 Mar 27 2008 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the reply mate.
If I can further extend on your comments, if I use my imp at 70 for pve then like you said his a mana battery and the stam buff is good, am I just relying moreso on my own firepower like a mage to do damage with some minimal help from him?
I've never been in a 70 group with my mage and seen a Lock use his Imp in an instance setting thats all, usually its the big guy being used.
I have 2 more levels to go to 50 before I get him so until then his an unknown quantity.
I was also looking at the pvp armour set Gladiators Felweave.
The stam and int. numbers look impressive but maybe not the same firepower as the frozen shadoweave/battlecast set.
Is the Felweave set suitable for pve like Kara, Gruuls etc..?
I love the helm and the stats and sockets dont look that bad.
It just means another couple of weeks in bg's thats all but again I dont know what the preference is for raid groups as thats what I'am aiming at here.
The Felweave set seems to have more survivability but the frozen shadoweave/battlecast sets has more firepower....without stam you die, without firepower you die..so I'am confused lol.
Thanks for your help.
#21 Mar 27 2008 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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RodStorm;

Okay... what you *really* ought to do is not worry about the lvl 70 stuff yet if you just started your lock. Just go level him and troll around here and read stuff. You'll pick it up. No need to get all the wisdom of our locks in 1 thread, then it'd have to get stickied.

;-) Happy leveling!
#22 Mar 27 2008 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the reply mate.
The reason I'am asking now with a bit of time up my slleve is it takes time to save gold and get mats.
If I know what I want now I can make a start on it and bankroll it with my other 2 70's.
A wrong decision could be a costly one :)
Then if the pvp wear is suitable for instance runs then all of a sudden cost doesnt come into it, its more of a budgeting of time down the track to go to the bg's to earn enough honour to cover it all.
So then the gold andmats side dont become that important.
I agree though, my biggest concern right now is getting to 50 for my next demon, level 58 for Outlands and then 60 for my epic mount.
So still playing for today but keeping an eye on the big picture :)
Thats why I ask what I ask.
#23 Mar 28 2008 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
OK, sorry if some of this has been said amongst the insults and "see how smart I am" posts on the thread. I've tried a few different types of weapons, staff, dagger, off hand pieces. For a lock, it seems the most important thing is the stats they provide, obviously. Since most people expect us to stand back and be support puppets, always keep the highest stat combo on hand for groups, but for the fun of the game mix it up. I've used every weapon I could train in, and not just for stat. Every once in a while, I like to be a combatlock.....slice/dice and get my feet dirty. Of course, yellow and orange mobs get a good dose of DoTs before I fly in and hit them with my stick, but the point is "I hit them with my stick. It's fun, it's dangerous, and it confuses players around me. I get alot of "omg, why are you tanking?" remarks.....lol. Theres a reason were able to LvL your weapons skills, so why not do it. I do this when running with lwr lvl's and fighting gray mobs, so my Staff, sword and dagger skill lvls are maxed, its a real kick. If you need a simple reason why to Lvl your skills, heres a scenerio. If your fighting a bad guy, or guyz, your minion dies, and you've depleted you mana, you've used your health stone and your soul stone....now what? You smack him with you weapon that you've max out, and crit the little fkr with one swing..........It's happened....have a nice day...:)
#24 Mar 29 2008 at 1:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Roflmao..thanks mate, that was a pretty cool reply :)
As far as the weapons go I just didnt want to mimic my frost mage again, couldnt see the sense having two exact tricked out toons.
The armour and pets are my biggest concerns atm but after talking to a few guildie locks today I have a better idea of what to look for and do.
Still its nice to have different opinions to give you a better idea of what to do.
#25 Mar 29 2008 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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or you could just shoot them with your wand.........it's better DPS.
#26 Apr 01 2008 at 5:15 AM Rating: Decent
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After a bit of comparing I'am thinking more of going with the Gladiators Felweave set.
I know this set is mainly pvp but its stats look better than the Battlecast set so maybe Gladiators head and pants mixed with the Frozen Shadoweave set?
The Gladiators has less damage but more stam than the Frozen set in chest, shoulders and feet...do I look at stam over damage in this instance or vice versa?
I think the Gladiators would be better than the Battlecast set but in combo with Frozen, whats the general concensus?
Also I've stuck with Affliction and now into Demon but I wont have enough talent points to get the Felguard.
Is he worth restructing my talent points to get?
Less stam. than the VW but a whole lot more damage and can still keep aggro but I'd lose some buff potential and possibly Dark Pact to get him.
So not sure if its worth the trouble.
I got the Infernal guy so maybe his the best choice to use instead of losing any Affliction points but his an outside only demon and can be hard to handle.
I want to run instances so not sure what the best pet is to go with, some say Succubus but I've found her pretty much useless.
Thanks.
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