Daggers, GGFollow

It seems my dagger collection is destined to be larger than my sword/mace/fist collection. Blizz puts 3 dps daggers in ZA, and 2 in kara, and the best use I can think of is making them an offhand (1.5's).

Are there any definitive plans to buff dagger builds, excluding the punturing wounds change? The problem I see with mute is no one knows how to make a viable cycle with it due to the awkward CP generation.

I really want to use daggers, and obviously blizz wants us to. So whats the problem? -_-;

Im talking about raid damage, should have made that clearer in my first post.

Most encounters have several phases that require you to move around, so you're not always behind the target, which makes dagger builds all but useless. To be quite frank, since they changed the extra swing proc on Combat Swords, there's really no reason to spec into daggers unless you're going to go Mutilate, which simply won't work on certain bosses (Curator and Hydross come to mind).

From what I've heard, they're changing Hydross so that he's not nature immune during his pure phase. Elemental shaman, rejoice!

daggers attacking from behind go through resiliance, rogue class fixed, seriously

/cry
I miss dagger pvp

oh heh, i forgot about that, was thinking more along the lines of ShS.
umm, ignores 1/2 of resiliance?or...doesn't ignore resiliance but ignores armour ;)

I say get rid of muti and make the 41 pt. talent something along these lines:

If enemy has resilience 0-100, ignore 50.
If enemy has resilience 100-200, ignore 125
200-300, 200
300-400, 275
400-500, 350

Then you would ignore all but ~140 resilience on someone who's capped, but not blow away anyone who's still in the 200s or so.


Problem is, that's not exactly a pvp change. Maybe the talent could reduce the energy cost of backstab by 15, but that's just a wish >_>;;

You know what they could do is make your energy regen rate depend on your MH weapon speed

You know if they did this it would be a nerf though XD
ex. Daggers get our current energy regen and swords are slower...

The Puncturing wounds buff seems to be a decent PvE buff in ideal situations, but seeing as those happen so frequently (lol) I'm not about to trade in my BS mace over it.

The thing is, im totally fine with ShS hemo being our de facto pvp build. What I do not like is sword spec owning all other specs to the point that even offhanding a sword with a mainhand mace/fist is better dps than pure mace or fist. If daggers are going to be useless for us, and merely stat sticks for hunters, make them either useful for pvp or pve, thats all i am saying. I hate seeing good weapons go to waste because showing up to a raid with them equipped will get you laughed at.

The mutilate buff is a step in the right direction, but positional requirements and funky combo point rotations make me think it will be crap in practice.

Granted, I haven't played this game for some time, but I raided a good deal using mutilate (and then combat swords) before I quit playing around the start of last school year (so sept some time). Mute cycles required a bit more "micro management" and were less "exact" that sword cycles; however, they still achieved the basic goal (to be efficient). I don't see any big changes that have occurred to mute, so I would assume that it's pretty much the same (again this is an assumption). I just talked to my brother who plays a pally in the raid guild that I was in. They have two rogues that actively raid with them, and one is mute. He said that the rogue was very competitive through all of Hyjal and BT with mute... always in (closely clustered) top 5 without a problem. I'd say that it is still plenty viable to raid with that build right now unless you are working on progression fights where the target cant' be poisoned. Hopefully you still aren't on VR/Hydross/etc...

On that note, changes to make more bosses poison-able, along with the extra 15% mute crit rate should make the build even more viable for raiding. It definitely does have it's benefits, it's fun to play, and after you've played a dagger build for quite a while, getting behind your target is second nature (you don't even think about it).

Edit: wonder if my sig will update

Edited, Mar 5th 2008 12:18am by LordMeridus

I quit and sold my account... needed to get through my senior year of college without so many distractions. I'll be re-rolling back on Hakkar in the near future and will be joining back up with critalin. Not sure what I'm going to roll yet... either another rogue, a priest, or a druid (maybe all 3 lol). I'm not really looking to do any serious raiding until the next expansion, and I probably won't actually start up again for at least another month or two (two is more likely).

How have you been?

Nice! I didn't realize that you guys were so far along. It seemed like when I left you were still not big enough to even do 25 man raids (thought that's just from memory - I could be wrong lol). Hopefully I'll get my **** in order soon... I have my name saved on the server in the form of an alt (on my brother's (cfrp) account).