A friend of mine recently told me of a guy who went hybrid elemental/enh just so he could dual wield two spell daggers. I wonder if any of you have tried it, if so what was your build like? This is what I came up with. The theory is sound, the only bad part is you dont get lightning overload which is pretty big, but with the potential for improved totems, better mana management and a possible 200 extra spell dmg I think I'll give it a shot. Heres my build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hE0zy0MRVZxbfbhgRhz
*edit* the improved lightning shield is there for pvp reasons, the early enh tree doesn't seem all that important. Also, does anyone know of any high spell dmg off hand weapons? I seem to not be able to find any.
Edited, Feb 29th 2008 11:07am by Soljourner
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I think they switched all the good caster weapons to main-hand to prevent this. :(
Yeah, I figured as much, though they still have that badass epic dagger in BT thats a caster dagger and is offhand. Seems like it was made for shammies dont you think? Though I lose lightning overload, i gain potentally 240 spell dmg. I would also lose 5% spell crit from not having the resto talents too.
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Might be kind of interesting to check out but I think you are losing a lot of damage output by going this route. Let us know if it works for you.
It'll be awhile. The only offhand caster dagger i could find is in BT, the Maelstrom fury, but with it, it brings 33 to stam, 31 to int, 22 to spell crit and 236 to spell dmg. Its not unique so having two of them with +40 that gives you 542 to your spell dmg. You get to keep your .5 seconds lower casting time, but you lose 5% spell crit and your lightning overload. You do get 5% mana, improved strength of earth and grace of air and grounding
the spec looked something like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hy0uVb0aVZxbfbLxshz
it basically used DW and mental quickness to further increase his damage.
basically making buffs like SoE totem, battle shout, Blessing of might, and blessing of kings all increase his spell damage.
with full buffs, 2 caster weapons, 2x wizard oil (2 diff weapons means 2 oils can be applied) food, flask, and totems he could pull off 2500 spell damage.
He also points out this is not a raid build, or even a good pvp build. this is a for fun build.
the player used all BT quality gear, and full T6, the 2 and 4 set bonus's are pimp.
now look at it this way, what gear does he need from pve? how much money does a raider that has been farming BT have? he mentions he respects often.
what this means is, this spec is a for fun spec being used by a player with not much else better to do for now until the next raid zone comes out.
It is not a good pvp or pve spec, it is very squishy, but it is fun, and that is what playing wow is about having fun.
but lets be realistic not everyone will have fun with this build, not everyone has BT quality gear, so this might not be as fun to everyone since not everyone has the gear to support this.
basically what i am trying to point out is this is a build a shaman picked up to mess around with, it is not a good build it is a fun build, very few would see the same quality damage as this shaman does, so keep this in mind if you want to try it out and realize, you probably will respec back to whatever soon after.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hy0uVb0aVZxbfbLxshz
it basically used DW and mental quickness to further increase his damage.
basically making buffs like SoE totem, battle shout, Blessing of might, and blessing of kings all increase his spell damage.
with full buffs, 2 caster weapons, 2x wizard oil (2 diff weapons means 2 oils can be applied) food, flask, and totems he could pull off 2500 spell damage.
He also points out this is not a raid build, or even a good pvp build. this is a for fun build.
the player used all BT quality gear, and full T6, the 2 and 4 set bonus's are pimp.
now look at it this way, what gear does he need from pve? how much money does a raider that has been farming BT have? he mentions he respects often.
what this means is, this spec is a for fun spec being used by a player with not much else better to do for now until the next raid zone comes out.
It is not a good pvp or pve spec, it is very squishy, but it is fun, and that is what playing wow is about having fun.
but lets be realistic not everyone will have fun with this build, not everyone has BT quality gear, so this might not be as fun to everyone since not everyone has the gear to support this.
basically what i am trying to point out is this is a build a shaman picked up to mess around with, it is not a good build it is a fun build, very few would see the same quality damage as this shaman does, so keep this in mind if you want to try it out and realize, you probably will respec back to whatever soon after.
besides what I did just say it was fun to watch what this shaman can do, with his spec and talents and buffs he can hit his enemies for heavy damage, his searing totem hits for about 500 a tick and 1k crits, his Lightning shield hits for about 1k, he didn't mention his FT but I am sure it hurts,
In his video he actualy crits someone for over 8k with a LBs with all his procs going, trinket, and berserking buff from bg (30% dmg buff)
very interesting stuff here is video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7610155322234078316
here is thread where you can see some of his comments and reaction by other shaman, as well as check out his armory:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4913821699&sid=1
In his video he actualy crits someone for over 8k with a LBs with all his procs going, trinket, and berserking buff from bg (30% dmg buff)
very interesting stuff here is video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7610155322234078316
here is thread where you can see some of his comments and reaction by other shaman, as well as check out his armory:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4913821699&sid=1
Aren't suicide builds usually 2H with a big, beefy hard-hitting 2h with a bunch of +spell damage gear?
Edit: The Shaman you linked does some amazing damage, too bad it's getting nerfed.
Edited, Feb 29th 2008 10:15pm by TheYardstick
Edited, Feb 29th 2008 10:23pm by TheYardstick
Edit: The Shaman you linked does some amazing damage, too bad it's getting nerfed.
Edited, Feb 29th 2008 10:15pm by TheYardstick
Edited, Feb 29th 2008 10:23pm by TheYardstick
this is the build they where refering too, it takes quite a bit to pull off, but sacrafices quite a bit to work in pve, and relies on pure damage and nothing else to work in bgs (which can work) in a Arena tho it probably wouldn't be worth bothering with at all since there is so much resilience in there, would be good damage still, but the spec's vulnerabilities will show much worse.
Question, I know dropping the resto tree out of an elemental build is crazy, yes, i know we lose 5% crit and 30 yard totems, not too mention one helluva good utility in natures swiftness, but what do you think of this?
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=h
Its just something i want to toy with, it doesnt have lightning overload as well, but it keeps good pvp buffs in the form of reduced elemental dmg, quicker ghost wolf, and in 2.4 it will be auto reduced to 2 seconds anyway and it breaks snares just like a druid, increased lightning shield and -10% threat for long runs and raids. But heres what you also gain, 10% of your attack power in spell dmg, something we dont get alot of, also higher spell dmg in strength of earth and other attack power from buffs you can get. It will also have an extra 10% armor and 50% reduction in movement effects, increased flametongue dmg for farming. All in all, i'm trying to aim for a decent balanced build with high spell dmg and not just all crits.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=h
Its just something i want to toy with, it doesnt have lightning overload as well, but it keeps good pvp buffs in the form of reduced elemental dmg, quicker ghost wolf, and in 2.4 it will be auto reduced to 2 seconds anyway and it breaks snares just like a druid, increased lightning shield and -10% threat for long runs and raids. But heres what you also gain, 10% of your attack power in spell dmg, something we dont get alot of, also higher spell dmg in strength of earth and other attack power from buffs you can get. It will also have an extra 10% armor and 50% reduction in movement effects, increased flametongue dmg for farming. All in all, i'm trying to aim for a decent balanced build with high spell dmg and not just all crits.
jmfmb wrote:
this is the build they where refering too, it takes quite a bit to pull off, but sacrafices quite a bit to work in pve, and relies on pure damage and nothing else to work in bgs (which can work) in a Arena tho it probably wouldn't be worth bothering with at all since there is so much resilience in there, would be good damage still, but the spec's vulnerabilities will show much worse.
I read the thread, he only has issues against Rogues.
I must say that 1833 Arena Rating for a Shaman is pretty good.
Edited, Mar 1st 2008 5:15pm by TheYardstick
He also mentions for serious pvp he respects 40/0/21 and uses his season 3 arena gear, but hey if you want to try it out be my guest sir.
Doesnt matter now, not being able to use swords, and the fact that they are nerfing that dagger, maelstrom's fury, means this build isn't even possible.
One caster weapon will still be off-handable, but it is a blue.
Which one? as long as theres a decent one, it can still live.
Per Thottbot, there is Maelstrom's Fury http://thottbot.com/?f=w&skill=Dagger&name=&loc=One-Hand&minrl=60&maxrl=&minl=&maxl=&minsc=&maxsc=&mind=&maxd=&mins=&maxs=&stat1=&c1=gt&v1=&stat2=&c2=gt&v2=&stat3=&c3=gt&v3=&e=2083
I hope that link works. If not, just check the tooltip on the left and look up Maelstom's Fury.
I hope that link works. If not, just check the tooltip on the left and look up Maelstom's Fury.
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