Hit rating for DW fury - beyond 9% hit?Follow

I have read some guides saying that u should only aim for around 100 hit and dont stack +hit gems after u reach that. Cos yellow attacks have a miss rate of 9% only and with precision u only need 95 hit rating to cap that. After that +hit only affects white attacks and hence ap and crit gems is better for dps after u reach hit cap for yellow attacks.

I have 142 hit atm, 32 hit from gems. Now I consider replacing those 32 hit with gems for 16str and 16crit. That would drop my hit to 110. I was thinking that might rage starve me a bit cos of all the white misses. eventhough more crits and harder hits give a bit more rage.

What r your take on it? dont use +hit gems after u have hit rating 110?

The reason for this, by the way, is because of how the attack table works. It's not multiple rolls, it's one single roll. These are obviously extreme stats, but this is how it works.

70% hit
30% crit
---------
0% miss

With these stats, none of your attacks will ever miss. You have enough hit and crit that you have completely pushed misses off of the table. What happens if we take 1% away from hit and add it to crit?

69% hit
31% crit
---------
0% miss

You still have no chance to miss your attacks, but the difference is that hit only effects your white damage. Crit will effect everything you do, thus creating more damage. Once you're past 95 hit rating, and below 51% crit, always use crit over it.

That goes against everything I've EVER read though, about fury as well as the combat table if that's the case, unless I'm misunderstanding you zip. It's not 'It can't crit if it doesn't hit.' It's either a hit or a crit. If you have 69% chance to do a normal hit, and 31% chance to cause a critical hit, miss is pushed completely off of the table. This is, after all, how it works on the opposite end of things for defense and pushing crit off of the table. There's simply no more room for it to happen. I may be reading what you're saying wrong, so feel free to clarify for me.

You're confusing the terms. Perhaps a story.

It's easier to think of Hit as what you see on the combat table after everything else is taken away. It gets seated last and nobody really likes it, so it gets no respect.

You start with a 28% chance to miss. Adding +hit will reduce this chance and leave more space for Hit events.

You start with (in this example) 30% crit. Crit isn't as important as Miss (or dodge, etc) but it still gets a seat at the table before Hit does. Giving yourself 30% Crit will give you 30 Crit events, but push 30 Hit events into the other room.

So, let's say you have +16% Hit (even numbers) and 30% Crit. It's time for dinner at the Combat Table household, and everyone runs into the kitchen.

Miss and Dodge are the babies of the family, so they get to sit first. Miss takes up 12 seats and Dodge takes up 3, for a total of 15 seats occupied. Crit comes in next and grabs a whole bunch of seats for him and his hoodlum friends - 30 more seats taken, for a total of 45.

And now they open the attic door and let Hit in, and he takes the remaining seats - 55 for him, adding up to 100.

But wait - the gear changes, and you gain another 1% crit. Miss doesn't have to leave; instead, one of the Hits gets to go cry in the corner and cut himself in the attic while Crit gets another seat. Now there's 15 Miss/Dodges, 31 Crits and 54 Hits.

Make any sense now?

I have over 100 hit on my Arms set. I always held off from going Fury because I felt that my hit rating was gimped. So, according to you guys, I have plenty of hit and could safely go Fury without fear of sucking it up?

Who has to leave the table if you add another hit?

BUT miss still sits at the head of the table.

then we will finish with the feats of strength.

lol best story to describe the hit table ever.

it's not bad, just not optimal for dw fury. s1 gear has a whopping 24 hit rating on it.

dw fury requires more hit rating to be capped

I found that in raids DW fury does give a fair bit more dps: rampage/flurry/precision are very nice.

i find constantly hitting mobs more fun that waiting 4 seconds to hit something

No it doesn't. The cap for both specs is guarantee for specials to hit, ie. 95 for fury and 143 for Arms. That's the point where hit becomes immensely less useful compared to what it used to, and that's the cap people are generally referring to.

If you, however, are referring to the cap where DW fury's white swings always hit (a goal which is not recommended to strive for), then fury does need more hit to be capped. However, few people aim for that.

The 'soft cap' is the same for both DW and 2h/1h. The difference is that 2h/1h also gets guaranteed white hittage with this cap, whereas DW does not. In the end, it's all about making your specials (yellow) hit. It's just a (for them, happy) coincidence that specials and 2h/1h white swings share cap.