Is there such a thing as too much dodge?Follow

I'll grant you, I'm not 70, but...umm...what? In my experience (which, admittedly, is only up to 60) about 90% of my rage comes from me hitting things. Getting hit? Only one or two points of rage. This is why druids are the best off-tanks, we can generate threat (and rage) without having to be whacked on. That's something that paladins and warriors have problems with.

Whoever you talked to sounds clueless, if you ask me.

Awesome, that's what I was thinking. I wish there were yellow gems for agility and stamina...are the socket bonuses from the clefthoof set worth keeping the correct color gems in the sockets? I think if I put Shifting Nightseyes in the yellow slots, I'd lose a total of 11 dodge rating, and gain 16 agility and 24 stamina...it sounds worth it to me, what do you guys think?

I've been wondering this exact thing

It betrays a complete lack of experience beyond leveling, and yet you were the one calling other people clueless? It was... amusing, I suppose. Like the level 54 Retadin who thinks that they're fantastic in PvP based off the two ABs he queued for or anything written by Mazra about anything.

You'll get more Rage from incoming damage than you do outgoing damage in most Outlands normal-mode instances, much less Heroics or Raids. The crit helps Rage generation a bit, but it also boosts your threat output even ignoring the extra Rage because you're dealing more damage with those Mauls and Mangles.



Definitely. For one thing, in terms of pure avoidance 14 AGI (without Kings) is as good as ~18 Dodge Rating as a Druid... plus the bonus armor and crit, and it scales with a Paladin.

Don't stress over the socket bonuses - some are worth it, some aren't. I'd keep the legs (BBY) but not the chest (BYY). Socket for Talasite DEF/STA instead of pure DEF if you're over the cap.

Usually Paladins don't reley on their rage bar.

Cool, thanks for the replies. I'm hoping to find some cheap shifting nightseyes in the AH this weekend, or sometime =).

Correct, we also are better at MTing than OTing because our threat generation, but also because when we take damage and get heals, we regen mana.. while as an OT we won't be taking damage all the time.

I've always went with armor>dodge=stam for tanking. Of course there is some level of minimum stamina you need, but the more armor you have the less stamina you need as a minimum. I prefer to take less damage then be a bigger sponge.

That being said there is no such thing as too much dodge, only sacrificing too much for dodge. There is always harder hitting bosses, and after hitting the armor cap the only form of mitigation you can still improve is dodge.

Of course it doesn't take much to be over geared to tank a low end encounter, but you don't always have to tank in your tanking gear either. I'm not going to go tank a normal S.labs in my gear I use to main tank 25 man bosses for example. Swapping pieces lets me increase my crit and AP while lowering my armor some so that I get more rage and I put out more threat per rage. I still take almost no damage, but I'm much more rage efficent which allows me to maximise threat in a low rage environment.

It's very important to adjust your gear as needed for each encounter. Some encounters require pure mitigation, some need more threat/rage, some are pure elemental so you need to sacrifice armor for stamina and resistance. Always work or maximising your full mitigation set, and use that as a basis to adjust stats as needed for particular encounters. Worse case scenario, you have too much mitgation and you can just swap your tanking weapon for your dps weapon to both reduce your mitigation and increase your threat.

Edited, Feb 29th 2008 12:46pm by SirJac