Sigh. Someone called me a drutard last night. I guess word hasn't gotten out to the masses yet that the "druidiot" motion was called and passed months ago. Can we get it in the FAQ or something?
For the record, I wasn't even doing anything druidiotic. He was just mad because aquatic form swim-speed roolz and I could take down water elementals way faster than he could. And I wasn't being a ***** about it either. I left him his own section. Maybe he was just already in a bad mood because of the upstart 68 flying right on in to a place other classes have to wait til 70 to access. Some people are so twitchy.
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Ahh, the sweet memories of an era where the Druid population was saluted with respect and awe. When a Druid represented the brighter portion of the playerbase and stood as a lonely beacon of pride and tolerance.
Meh.
I remember creating a thread called 'The Fall of the Druid' in which I ranted about the numbnuts that flocked to the class post Patch 1.8. If only I had known.
On another note, I just went back and tried to find said thread and while I did find it, I also found out something else. For one, I miss Pasty. Is he still around? And I was a complete newbie back then. My posting style also made me twitch. I was like a moth on crack and a sixpack of Red Bull.
Oh dear.
I just realized that my post implies that teacake is one of the aforementioned numbnuts. That was not my intention. It's just that people back then wouldn't dream of calling a Druid player a 'Drutard'. Hell, you could pretty much wipe the group, ninja the epic, hearthstone out and they still worshipped the ground you walked on.
Edited, Feb 27th 2008 10:55pm by Mazra
Meh.
I remember creating a thread called 'The Fall of the Druid' in which I ranted about the numbnuts that flocked to the class post Patch 1.8. If only I had known.
On another note, I just went back and tried to find said thread and while I did find it, I also found out something else. For one, I miss Pasty. Is he still around? And I was a complete newbie back then. My posting style also made me twitch. I was like a moth on crack and a sixpack of Red Bull.
Oh dear.
I just realized that my post implies that teacake is one of the aforementioned numbnuts. That was not my intention. It's just that people back then wouldn't dream of calling a Druid player a 'Drutard'. Hell, you could pretty much wipe the group, ninja the epic, hearthstone out and they still worshipped the ground you walked on.
Edited, Feb 27th 2008 10:55pm by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
I just realized that my post implies that teacake is one of the aforementioned numbnuts. That was not my intention.
Yeah, well you just better watch it Maz, I have all the cookies!
I have the pastry. Want to share?
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
i can has cookies? dont let it bug ya tea; there are jackasses everywhere. best thing to do is just keep on farming better than they can until they either get fed up and leave, or call in a bunch of friends to help them out (at which point youve won because youre forcing five people to do the job one guy couldnt).
but yeah, i feel ya maz. 1.8 was the beginning of the end. sure, it buffed druids (which was good!) but i really do miss the sense of kinship you had when you met another druid. i remember back in the day being invited to heal for 10-man scholo and when i got into the group another druid was there. we didnt know each other, but that didnt matter. we healed the group just fine, pwning the entire instance with nary a single death (unheard of in the days of olde schoole scholo).
now its a crap shoot whether or not that druid in your group even knows what HoT's are much less how to properly function in any given environment.
but yeah, i feel ya maz. 1.8 was the beginning of the end. sure, it buffed druids (which was good!) but i really do miss the sense of kinship you had when you met another druid. i remember back in the day being invited to heal for 10-man scholo and when i got into the group another druid was there. we didnt know each other, but that didnt matter. we healed the group just fine, pwning the entire instance with nary a single death (unheard of in the days of olde schoole scholo).
now its a crap shoot whether or not that druid in your group even knows what HoT's are much less how to properly function in any given environment.
I think the last conversation I struck up with a Druid was something like...
Him: sry can i has 20s plz 4 spec??
Me: No.
/ignore Drutard
Hardly a conversation, really. And I remember back in the days where you could strike up a conversation with another Druid about builds, patches and whatnot, and you'd feel like you were really part of a massive social event.
And when you met an enemy Druid you'd treat him/her with respect. Rarely would it involve death. I remember accidentally mining a node a Tauren Druid had been grinding towards (hadn't seen him). He vastly outleveled me, but instead of tearing me a new one, he just /frowned and I apologized and gave him the remaining ore.
Last time I had an encounter with an enemy Druid was while farming Motes of Fire in Nagrand. He was Restoration spec'd and decked in S3 and completely locked down the entire area with his S2 Lock friend. I thought I'd be able to discretely farm in my own corner, but the Druid was running around, Moonfiring every elemental and pulling them in to the Lock. The moment he saw me, he locked on and spammed Moonfire until I died. Me, wearing part S1, part greens, could do nothing but /golfclap for the 20 seconds it took him.
Then I resurrected and flew to a nearby hill to drink and eat up. *poof* He landed next to me and proceeded to Moonfire spam me to death. I couldn't escape, because jumping off the hill would kill me and Flight form isn't available in combat. I also found out that dying on a hill you can't access in ghost form is teh suck.
The Druid, outgearing me by far, would repeatedly chase me down as I tried to get my two Motes I needed for a quest. Each time I tried to retaliate he'd just heal up, wait for his Lock buddy and laugh at me. He was camping me big time.
Finally got my two motes by pulling the fire elementals to the lake where he couldn't see me from the area he was grinding at. I flew over to him and waved goodbye. He retaliated with a Faerie Fire and a Moonfire.
Thanks for nothing, numbnut.
Him: sry can i has 20s plz 4 spec??
Me: No.
/ignore Drutard
Hardly a conversation, really. And I remember back in the days where you could strike up a conversation with another Druid about builds, patches and whatnot, and you'd feel like you were really part of a massive social event.
And when you met an enemy Druid you'd treat him/her with respect. Rarely would it involve death. I remember accidentally mining a node a Tauren Druid had been grinding towards (hadn't seen him). He vastly outleveled me, but instead of tearing me a new one, he just /frowned and I apologized and gave him the remaining ore.
Last time I had an encounter with an enemy Druid was while farming Motes of Fire in Nagrand. He was Restoration spec'd and decked in S3 and completely locked down the entire area with his S2 Lock friend. I thought I'd be able to discretely farm in my own corner, but the Druid was running around, Moonfiring every elemental and pulling them in to the Lock. The moment he saw me, he locked on and spammed Moonfire until I died. Me, wearing part S1, part greens, could do nothing but /golfclap for the 20 seconds it took him.
Then I resurrected and flew to a nearby hill to drink and eat up. *poof* He landed next to me and proceeded to Moonfire spam me to death. I couldn't escape, because jumping off the hill would kill me and Flight form isn't available in combat. I also found out that dying on a hill you can't access in ghost form is teh suck.
The Druid, outgearing me by far, would repeatedly chase me down as I tried to get my two Motes I needed for a quest. Each time I tried to retaliate he'd just heal up, wait for his Lock buddy and laugh at me. He was camping me big time.
Finally got my two motes by pulling the fire elementals to the lake where he couldn't see me from the area he was grinding at. I flew over to him and waved goodbye. He retaliated with a Faerie Fire and a Moonfire.
Thanks for nothing, numbnut.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
ya, hate druids like that. you just know it was some friggin mage who got owned by druids back in the day and rerolled after the buffs and thinks hes l33t **** now.
sad thing is, i play against all these scrub druids on my warrior in arena, and its disgusting how easily i can kill them. now, to be honest, its not like i mow thru them, but i force them to use every single trick available just to get away, and that disgusts me! nature's grasp used to be a helpful tool, nothing more. but now its something that a bunch of (imo) horrible druids use to prop themselves up with.
even worse than that, no druid knows how to juke anymore. i fought one last night that kinda knew how to juke, but its like the only thing druids nowadays know how to do is run in a straight line in the same direction.
pardon the rant, and if any members of this board read this please dont think im attacking you, its just my own personal distaste for the state of most druids today. a longing for a lost past that cannot be reclaimed.
sad thing is, i play against all these scrub druids on my warrior in arena, and its disgusting how easily i can kill them. now, to be honest, its not like i mow thru them, but i force them to use every single trick available just to get away, and that disgusts me! nature's grasp used to be a helpful tool, nothing more. but now its something that a bunch of (imo) horrible druids use to prop themselves up with.
even worse than that, no druid knows how to juke anymore. i fought one last night that kinda knew how to juke, but its like the only thing druids nowadays know how to do is run in a straight line in the same direction.
pardon the rant, and if any members of this board read this please dont think im attacking you, its just my own personal distaste for the state of most druids today. a longing for a lost past that cannot be reclaimed.
The other day I was in a group dpsing with another druid. All of the sudden he asked me if I was using mangle. I said that "no, because you are. I just use mangle to increase the shred damage, since you are mangling, there's no point to use it." to what he respond "mangle increases damage done by shred?!"
/facepalm
/facepalm
Brisin wrote:
The other day I was in a group dpsing with another druid. All of the sudden he asked me if I was using mangle. I said that "no, because you are. I just use mangle to increase the shred damage, since you are mangling, there's no point to use it." to what he respond "mangle increases damage done by shred?!"
/facepalm
/facepalm
I got that beat. Unfortunately the biggest druidiot I've run into lately is a guildie. : (
Sorry for the wall 'o text rant, but I'm convinced we woulda easily cleared Moroes with decent DPS in that slot, so I'm a little frustrated and nobody in my guild will grok the depth of his druidiocy as well as you all. : )
My second attempt at a Kara run, he called dibs on DPS because "I'm a cat druid." Fine, do your thing, I prefer off-tanking anyway. Then through the course of the run and a subsequent inspection, I discovered:
1) His first tier of Feral points are 1/5 Ferocity and 5/5 in Feral Agression.
2) His DPS (maybe only) set includes Jerkin of the Untamed Spirit, Staff of Beasts, Heavy Clefthoof boots, and a Stylin Jungle Hat. Interesting choices. I shudder at the thought of his AP, crit, and hit numbers.
3) His standard attack in the instance was Mangle, I kept moving the mobs around to get them in front of them, and he still wouldn't shred. Had thorns up until I mentioned that all it did was add aggro he didn't want.
4) In multiple attempts against Moroes we had our 2 priest healers going OoM, deaths of healers and tanks, etc. No innervate, no battle rez, no emergency heal support...nothing. Keep in mind he was on DPS and free to do all that. On the last run I risked quickly popping out of bear during Moroes' temporary dissapearance to do all of the above and we got a lot closer, but still no cigar.
I'm not a huge proponent of damagemeters, but I reported to our GM that I'd actually out-DPS'd our "dps druid" and suggested that he MIGHT not be ready for Kara just yet. : /
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1) His first tier of Feral points are 1/5 Ferocity and 5/5 in Feral Agression.
Ugh. Just...ugh.
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2) His DPS (maybe only) set includes Jerkin of the Untamed Spirit, Staff of Beasts, Heavy Clefthoof boots, and a Stylin Jungle Hat. Interesting choices. I shudder at the thought of his AP, crit, and hit numbers.
Holy jeebus, someone actually bought Stylin Jungle Hat! And Heavy Clefthoof? Really? Jeez...
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3) His standard attack in the instance was Mangle, I kept moving the mobs around to get them in front of them, and he still wouldn't shred.
/facepalm
He got accepted into Karazhan in that gear? H-h-holy ****.
I'm not in any great DPS gear, but I think I'd have 10% crit rating and 1,000 attack power more than him. Plus, with all the resilience and stamina I'd still be able to switch to Fluffynoodle form in case the tank died.
I'm not in any great DPS gear, but I think I'd have 10% crit rating and 1,000 attack power more than him. Plus, with all the resilience and stamina I'd still be able to switch to Fluffynoodle form in case the tank died.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
ur mean, the stylin jungle hat is priteeeeee!! lolz!!1! oh noes i can't res or heal im feral
p.s. jerkin of untamed spririt is BLUE so obvii is good gear n00b
Edited, Feb 28th 2008 12:12pm by teacake
p.s. jerkin of untamed spririt is BLUE so obvii is good gear n00b
Edited, Feb 28th 2008 12:12pm by teacake
Thanks gang, your validation is actually helping me stop obsessing about this. Man, I need help, lol.
Ya wanna know what's REALLY sick? Homey has epic flight. Yeah. Got it within a week of dinging 70. Supposedly funded it with money from his now-abandoned main. I'm like "spend that gold on some gear, dude!" Maddening.
As far as how he got into a Kara group...we're a very very casual guild (clearly...) that gets around 6-7 of a Kara group maybe twice a week if we're lucky so we don't have a process for qualifying/screening ourselves. We have a partnership with another higher-end guild to top off the group, and usually PUG a toon or two. Based on this run though I told our GM we NEED some filter despite our casual-ness, since IMHO this guy singlehandedly cost us the chance to down Moroes. I've used RareBeast's thread about minimum stats for Kara participation to start the discussion. My guess is he's at 1700 AP, 25% crit, and 0 hit. Total shot in the dark, though. Jerkin and Staff of Beasts are level 62 and level 65 gear, though. And he's got none of the right enchants on ANYTHING.
I LOVE helping other druids improve their gear and skillz from what I've learned here, but I can't get motivated to help this particular guy gear up and play better so he can roll against ME for phatlewt druid/leather drops in heroics and Kara.
Ya wanna know what's REALLY sick? Homey has epic flight. Yeah. Got it within a week of dinging 70. Supposedly funded it with money from his now-abandoned main. I'm like "spend that gold on some gear, dude!" Maddening.
As far as how he got into a Kara group...we're a very very casual guild (clearly...) that gets around 6-7 of a Kara group maybe twice a week if we're lucky so we don't have a process for qualifying/screening ourselves. We have a partnership with another higher-end guild to top off the group, and usually PUG a toon or two. Based on this run though I told our GM we NEED some filter despite our casual-ness, since IMHO this guy singlehandedly cost us the chance to down Moroes. I've used RareBeast's thread about minimum stats for Kara participation to start the discussion. My guess is he's at 1700 AP, 25% crit, and 0 hit. Total shot in the dark, though. Jerkin and Staff of Beasts are level 62 and level 65 gear, though. And he's got none of the right enchants on ANYTHING.
I LOVE helping other druids improve their gear and skillz from what I've learned here, but I can't get motivated to help this particular guy gear up and play better so he can roll against ME for phatlewt druid/leather drops in heroics and Kara.
JeeBar wrote:
Ya wanna know what's REALLY sick? Homey has epic flight. Yeah. Got it within a week of dinging 70. Supposedly funded it with money from his now-abandoned main. I'm like "spend that gold on some gear, dude!" Maddening.
My first 70 was a priest. I spent almost 3k gold on him for epic tailoring (BOE and BOP), gems, etc.. and no epic flight for this guy..
I decided to continue leveling my druid (he was 55 when I decided that) and brought him to 70. Once I hit 70, I decided to save for my epic flyer instead of the gear. There is a lot of gear available through instances. Spending all that money on gears is not necessary a better choice.
Since I have my epic form now, I spent lots of gold on enchants, gems, leveling LW to 375 and craft that tribal set. If I had done that first, I wouldn't have my epic yet!
That's not his problem.. what is he doing with his time ? PVPing, questing, running instance? Or talking in Shat ?! =)
nbouchard wrote:
JeeBar wrote:
Ya wanna know what's REALLY sick? Homey has epic flight. Yeah. Got it within a week of dinging 70. Supposedly funded it with money from his now-abandoned main. I'm like "spend that gold on some gear, dude!" Maddening.
That's not his problem.. what is he doing with his time ? PVPing, questing, running instance? Or talking in Shat ?! =)
Seems like he does a bit of everything. I see him LFG (for Heroics amazingly), spending time in BGs, and of course in Kara messing up my chance to down Moroes.
I know there's more cost-effective ways to gear up other than spending gold, and don't normally fault anyone for prioritizing epic flight over gearing up, even though I've taken the opposite approach. I wanna be as strong as possible as soon as possible, and flying around fast, while fun and good for farming, doesn't contribute to my effectiveness in the combat situations I play the game for.
If he's gonna run heroics and Kara he owes it to the groups he's in to get better gear. Rolling with Staff of Beasts at this point is kinda crazy, as there's a handful of quest rewards and drops that are better than that. Hell, there's level 70 greens you can get in the AH for 10-20g that are better than Staff of Beasts. (they're so cheap because most druids know you can do better for free through questing...) Look at all those that are just below Staff of Beasts WITHOUT the stats of the "random enchantment." Any of those 'of the Tiger' or 'of the Beast' would be loads better than Staff of Beasts.
Well, I have a thread wich links a sandbox with dps heroic-ready equipment that are really easy to acquire, with only 2 epics (staff and wrist), but with dps gems and right enchantments.
This is the link:
http://www.warcrafter.net/sandbox/29611
He could have 2440 AP, 112 hit rating, 18 Expertise Rating, 36.14% crit chance, unbuffed, with mostly quest rewards, one bg equipment and some blues from normal instances.
With this equipment I went to Kara and Gruuls with no problem. I even went to SSC trash mobs with guildies to see if it would drop the feral staff (can't remember the name) and did 600 dps (wich is really low, but I'm saying this to show how much it would be ok for Kara and Gruuls).
This is the link:
http://www.warcrafter.net/sandbox/29611
He could have 2440 AP, 112 hit rating, 18 Expertise Rating, 36.14% crit chance, unbuffed, with mostly quest rewards, one bg equipment and some blues from normal instances.
With this equipment I went to Kara and Gruuls with no problem. I even went to SSC trash mobs with guildies to see if it would drop the feral staff (can't remember the name) and did 600 dps (wich is really low, but I'm saying this to show how much it would be ok for Kara and Gruuls).
JeeBar wrote:
2) His DPS (maybe only) set includes Jerkin of the Untamed Spirit, Staff of Beasts, Heavy Clefthoof boots, and a Stylin Jungle Hat. Interesting choices. I shudder at the thought of his AP, crit, and hit numbers.
At 66 I have the Jerkin of untamed spirit as part of my sub-par tanking gear and I have the staff of beasts for my dps gear, and saying that I would be ashamed trying to dps in kara with this gear would be an incredible understatement...what was he thinking?...
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