trouble with aggroFollow

What class was the guy who said this and what was he doing to open?

Edit: Also, were you using Wizard Oil?

Edit2: How were you going about opening on the mob? The reason I ask is that I run with 3 very good paladin tanks. Running with each of them, I can pull aggro if I try, but I can comfortably do very heavy DPS from the beginning of a fight and not pull aggro as well. I'll see if I can get one to stop by and give you some pointers.

Edited, Feb 26th 2008 11:54pm by Poldaran

That's probably why you had problems with initial aggro, right there. Especially on a boss like Moroes where you're holding adds and need to burn them down quickly. Try opening with a Judgement of Righteousness for initial aggro after the shield. Not entirely certain what my normal tanks do after that, but I'm pretty sure that's how they often open.

Also, aren't those mobs considered undead? Which means you could use Exorcism to gain even more initial aggro. While a lot of your threat generation will come from reflective damage, don't forget that direct holy damage attacks on your foes will give you an even greater edge.

That's actually pretty much the case in general and isn't in any way specific to Moroes. Paladins can MT fine but are easily the worst OT's in the game when it comes to dual-tanking a single mob. They need to be in charge of their own mob and be taking constant hits or they're just not generating enough threat and even the worst DPS-er is going to have to hold back.

As others have said, open with Righteousness first, then Judge Wisdom later in the fight if you think you'll need it. If not, just Seal up Vengeance and go from there. If you are main-tanking a mob like Moroes though, you'll probably be taking so much damage and getting healed so much that you probably won't need it.

For Moroes specifically, another option would be to just start with Vengeance Sealed and wait to Judge at all until you've got a full stack. The rest of your raid should be dealing with the adds first anyways, so you shouldn't need a high threat spike as soon as the fight begins, and as soon as they do turn on Moroes you should have more than enough threat to hold it for the rest of the fight.

A solution is to tank one of the adds while OTing Moroes. Keep throwing out consecration and Exorcism and smacking Moroes and judging Righteousness or Vengeance if you are Alliance. Meanwhile the other mob keeps hurting you requiring you to be healed and getting your mana back. As long as everyone knows not to kill the one you are tanking until last, then after everyone else kills the adds you should have a decent threat lead for 2nd on Moroes.

qft.

buff up your hp a bit and just MT the place. i tried OTing moroes the first time i was in there and couldnt stay 2nd either, switched to MT and it went smoothly.

Strictly from a threat generating standpoint, Seal of Blood would work better than Righteousness, even with a 1 hander. And true, you'd need healing and that would keep your mana up. If you're new to an encounter, I definitly wouldn't suggest this though. Imagine your first Prince fight, trying this out (applies to DPS as well) only to get @#$%pwned by enfeeble.

Using Seal of Blood for tank threat generation is something I'd classify in the "Hot Dogging the Raid" category... You know, things like having your OOM-kin tank Ragnaros... etc. But it certainly has a place.

As for Moroes... between Wings, Judgement of the Crusader (Didn't see that one in there), Avenger's Shield, Holy Wrath, Exorcism, Consecration, Holy Shield and White Damage.... You should be able to build a comfortable #1 threat lead. Gear up a bit and swap to main for some encounters and you'll feel the difference. Or just get beat on by an add at the same time.

Wings, Crusader, and Holy Wrath seem to be neglected quite a bit. Wings and Crusader together = some of the biggest TPS numbers you'll see. Holy Wrath does more damage on 1 target than Avenger's Shield, and has a 19% spell damage modifier, where Holy Shield has a 14% modifier. Not only that, but Avenger's Shield should slow the mob (or even a group of 3) down enough to give time to let off a Holy Wrath... just a thought. With Exorcism, you shouldn't need to judge Righteousness immediatly, especially with the extra threat from Crusader.

As long as you get hit to regen some of that mana, you have the abilities to frontload STUPID ammounts of threat on undead/demons. Well geared DPS should always be *able* to overtake you in end-game (where they had no chance to come even close to you while levelling) but they should be able to open up with some very nasty combos with the kind of threat you can put out.

Another thing you can try is swapping in some spell dam/int gear for a larger mana pool and more dam to your holy spells. While offtanking i don't find it very necessary, at least on moroes, to be uncrushable. 1st time i tried it, had trouble holding 3rd agro, with 4k mana was oom very quickly. So i swapped out some gear and easily maintained 2nd, with crusader on moroes and judging full stacks of vengeance while exorcising/avenging shield when cds were up. Helps to have a shadow priest in your grp if you do have to OT.

im still unclear about the whole "OTing Moroes" thing. are you strictly on Moroes or just picking him up after downing adds? if you are trying to stay #2 on Moroes from the start then you should not have any issues with threat at all. if you are trying to get to #2 on Moroes midfight then that doesn't make sense.

in Kara pallies are godly MTs with aoe tanking and rapid threat building. even OT, they are fantastic when called upon. keep in mind that gearing and playing as OT is a little different than MT: swap out more +spell as needed. use AW and exocism when rdy. watch the MT and predict whats gonna happen.