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#1 - You don't greed roll BoP items. EVERYONE passes on BoP and then rolls for need. It's basic group etiquette. I removed some more choice appellations for you because I'm trying very hard to be nice today.
#2 - It's healing gear. The healer probably greeded it because YOU did. He's probably pissed off at you right now and cursing your name to his guild.
#3 - You can find a level 61 green item with more +damage than that piece.
#4 - Spell damage is more important than Int in Outland.
#5 - You should find that healer, apologize, and run him through BF again so that you can amend for your mistake.
#6 Gems are sticky, they don't come out of sockets, ever. If you put a new one in, the old one is destroyed.

If it is healer gear I would get rid of it, it doesn't necessarily give you the stats you should be going after. That being said, if it has more +spelldmg than what your current chest piece has then I guess you could wear it (just be ready to be ridiculed for wearing healer gear in game).

For gems, once you socket them into the socket, you cannot get them back. You can replace them (overwrite them) but you do not get the old ones back, like enchants, you don't get the materials back.

As for the choice of gems I would recommend the simple runed blood garnet for lower-level gear (+7 spelldmg)

And therein lies the problem.



You obviously didn't understand me here. I'm saying that NO ONE greed or need. It's a baseline rule. Just pass and whoever needs it will roll afterward by doing a /roll. If no one wants it then everyone can roll for greed.



Oh. My. God. SEVERAL GOLD? That's, like, MORE THAN A FEW! In a couple of months (okay, maybe a few) you are going to be doing daily quests that take an hour, TOPS, and get you 100g. Are you really going to sweat a couple of gold here or there?



No, you should only pass on BoP items. It has worked famously for every group that I've ever been in, and for the general grouping populace.



This is basic naiveté, and why not rolling greed/need is in the best interest of the group. In fact, you have just proven my point. If you DON'T roll greed/need, and instead pass through the in-game mechanism and then do a /roll, you're ensuring that everyone who comes before and goes after you has a chance to roll on the loot that they really want. It may be that the guy who passed before you greeded that item really wanted it, but uses the standard etiquette of grouping, which is PASS ON BOP!



I simply stated the well-known general etiquette of PUGs. The fact that your group didn't adhere to it, and that everyone came out happy, is a rarity. While not everyone is ninja looting, there are a LOT out there. My "high horse" as you call it keeps the "accidental" greeding or needing of objects to a minimum, and makes for a generally better experience.





The latter quote led me to believe that perhaps he was a priest, because you were questioning his motive in not rolling. Perhaps next time you should be more specific about your group comp.

Bottom line, your question is answered, and you reap what you sow. Keep on keepin' on with that greeding system, and watch it bite you in the tuckus.

Edited, Feb 26th 2008 4:12pm by TheEngine

It would have entirely alleviated the situation had it been following TE's suggestion though. My realm tends to do need if needed, greed if you can DE (on blues of course), pass if you can't use it, and greed on greens. At the end of the run (or whenever) the DEer DEs the blue, and everyone rolls on the shard, normally at the end of the heroic the person who gets the void crystal only gets that when everyone else gets a prismatic.

Actually, that rule is usually only prevalent on older servers. Many of the newer ones don't use that, as many of their players weren't from back before they extended the time on the roll countdown, so there's no need to pass to discuss.



That variation is my favorite version of looting in 5 man PuGs. Usage of the in game rolling system to limit the effect of ninjas while allowing for the item to get sharded if no one needs it.

The opening of the post wasn’t meant to be the point of the post. It was supposed to be about whether I could use the piece or not. The statement (that was not a question – though it did have “?” at the end) was meant more to be a question about his logic for not /need. Meaning – why would you not /need if you could. He was a paly – I never checked his gear. As he was a PVP guy, I doubt he was geared for super healing. He could have taken the gear, and used it as a macro’d gear change for instance boss fights – where maybe the +healing would have helped the tank survive – thus offsetting the fact that the Pally would be wearing armor that would dramatically reduce his (The paly) ability to survive hits. This would seem logical – running along the idea of – Well if the tank dies, we will wipe, so who cares what the healer (who shouldn’t get hit anyway) is wearing…

The same statement could have been written: “I have no idea why he didn’t’ need – no one would have complained as no one was a healer – thus no one would have the right to complain.”

The fact is the original question/reason for the post was hijacked by the first poster who claimed I’m out there ninja’ing loot and using the wrong loot system in general. Anobix and Ktangent answered the question. I sold the thing and made the equivalent of about 2 thorium bars at AH. (I sell stacks for 20ish and got 2g for the piece.)

As far as the loot system goes – The last poster said it again. Apparently in older realms there is some other system. Maybe Engine was referring to Raid etiquette. I have no idea. I have never seen someone say pass on BOP (or anything else for that matter) only to /roll later. If 2 people in the group could use the item – my opinion is we should see 3x /greed and 2x /need. The 3 greeds are instantly out of the running and the 2 needs can /roll /argue /whatever…. Yeah, if you’re running some heroic instance with people you know/trust… Go for it with some other, less ‘capitalistic’ approach…

I’m in the instance for 3 reasons. 1. Quests (EXP) 2. Loot.(I can use) 3. Loot (I can sell)

If you are at end game, working on gearing a raid – things might be different. When you run the instance 2 – 3 times to help you get to the next level and gear for the next level. Need if you can use it (or if you are a lvl away from using). Greed for everything else. If you want to look like Mr. Nice-Guy – Pass. When the super-uber-sword-of-awesomeness drops and you know the rogues are all going crazy…. You can look like Mr. Nice-guy by passing, but everyone knows it’s a hollow gesture. The people needing it will cancel out all the greeds anyway. So don’t expect a thank you for your gracious pass.

The question was answered. Thank you.

Unless the healer had passed PRIOR to Borsuk rolling greed. That's where it gets complicated.

As to the other posts, yes, I'm on an old school server. Yes, I've been playing since release, so perhaps I'm a bit more jaded on how PUGs work. That doesn't mean that there aren't ninjas out there, waiting in the weeds to steal your loot. The in-game loot system can be abused, and sooner or later it WILL be. You will get a rogue that rolls Need on a plate piece and says, "clck wrng buttn, sry" and everyone will say, "Aww, that poor rogue, he didn't really MEAN to click that button, it's so close to the other one" and let him stay in the group long enough for him to do it AGAIN. And then it's too late. Your run is shot and he's off with two items, one of the them maybe even a primal nether.

The pass button is far enough away from the other two that there's no confusion, and MUCH less chance of a misclick. But you go on and do it however you like. Just be prepared to accept the consequences. I have no sympathy for people on our realm forum who whine about a ninja that double-whammied them, but when asked what their loot system was they say, "greed or need". There's just no need to do it, pass and roll is a far more simple and elegant solution than any in-game mechanism can be. People who create complex systems for rolling based on need, greed, or DE just create headaches for themselves.



Hey now, don't get all revisionist here. I answered your questions with #3-6 in my first post. And KT was right there with me on the whole looting thing. I didn't hijack, I expressed my opinion while STILL answering the question. You took it from there.

Oh well. Dead horse, I declare thee beaten.

Edited, Feb 27th 2008 8:55am by TheEngine