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*Long, I love my class story, skip to bottom for message of post if you must*

Basically, I queued up for AB and WSG on my shaman. I just hit 29, but without windfury I was a little worried at how this would work out. I'm by no means twinked, or anything like that, although I have about 3-4 blues, rest are greens.

I OWNED. I'm sure this drops at 70 or something, you know everyone on the O Boards hates how shamans don't one shot everything (note sarcasm, I see shamans own PvP at 70 on muh mage ).

Earthshock healers, Frostshock runners, Earthbind totem and sometimes my Searing totem, it was just to much fun. I came out number one on Killing Blows (and I wasn't spamming shocks to try and steal killing blows, that's just dumb) and I came out number one on HKs. I was like number 2 on damage, and I wasn't even twinked. I was PvPing to win, taking flags, defending, and dropping support totems.

When I crit it was basically bye bye whatever class. Flurry + Shamanistic Focus was a quick way to take down any enemy :). I could go on and on, about how owned the one on one fights I had.

*/Long Story, here's my message:*

Basically what I'm gathering from my PvP experiences so far, we do good if we're in a group. Makes sense to me, we're a group support class, so of course we need to be in a group to shine. I don't know why so many people complain about the class PvP wise. Enhancement with WF procs, crits, and the ever so lovely shocks/totems, we seem to do great. Elemental owns with LB spam alone, and resto, well you just can't kill a resto shaman. Good luck. So why is there so much complaining about the Shaman class right now? My PoV is my Mage at 70 (and watching other shamans) and my 29 shaman.

Once you hit 70 that will all change, you will be kited by everyone, elemental will not be able to pew pew while that warrior hams him, and that hunter will dispell that restolamas earth shield.

Hey, Gaudion, be a bigger douche bag for us.

Dude, i totally agree. I was checking out my friend play BG´s and adopted his "jump-like-crazy-for-confusion-style" and i ended up killing EVERYTHING! and the guys i met were not sucky, my best memory(this was last week) was when i fought a 39pala with all the drops from Herod and i totally smacked him.. totally. and the casters were no problem either, just tremor or grounding totem and put them over ur knees and start the spanking.

it was really awsome, only problem were the kiting from hunters but i can live with that..

yep.

when you and the warrior are both level 70, he has stam and armor up the wazoo, and he has mortal strike (which warriors don't get til level 41 at the earliest) along with WW, 2/2 imp slam, possibly imp hamstring, piercing howl, second wind and imp. intercept..... not having your own cc/root/snare and not being able to burst the warrior down starts to suck really, really hard. shaman are damn near the easiest pvp target at level 70 for me, and i hardly ever pvp.

Edited, Feb 26th 2008 5:26pm by fromanthebarbarian

Most of the posters who brought hate upon your thread are posters who are so deep into either raiding or Arena PvP that they've forgotten about everything else.

I've been a Battleground monkey for the last two years and let me just say that a well-geared Enhancement Shaman can bring a lot of pain onto the field. 1200+ crits with one-handed Windfury procs. 3000+ two-handed Windfury crits and so on.

I bet the majority of the posters who claim that Shamans suck in PvP have never tried all three talent trees with the right gear. People keep telling me Druids suck in PvP as well, if they're not Restoration or Critchicken spec'd. I'm Feral, have some PvP welfare (not really welfare for Alliance players since we lose everything) epics and I'm wtfowning people in Battlegrounds.

And the first one to tell me Battlegrounds isn't real PvP can have a nice cup of stfu. You didn't develop the game. You're not going to tell me what is real and what is not.

Reading over your post, Enigmen, made me slightly nostalgic. I created my Shaman ages ago. Before The Burning Crusade was released. I remember how low level Battlegrounds were. Before the twinks and all that crap.

Good times.

"You suck."

That's what you're saying and it's pretty much the only kind of justification that someone who hasn't been 70 for a few months and gotten arena gear and/or played in the arena can offer. Which is why those of us who have met all of those requirements get pissed off when people like you and him say asinine things like that.


It's not so much that BG's aren't "real PvP" as they are the single poorest indication of how your class is or isn't balanced for PvP. It doesn't really matter how deficient your spec or class is when you've got half a dozen people to back you up or half a dozen people to hide behind. You could have the single worst conglomeration of talents and/or gear available and still be effective with mob mentality.

In 2v2 and 3v3 arena there is no one else around to fight your battles for you. The smaller the scale of PvP gets, the more important individual skill, spec, and class become. And it doesn't matter how deadly you are with a wooden spoon, if the other guy has a gun you are still going to lose.

Go ghost wolf, pop earth shield, hide until the battle begins and your DPs needs heals.

That right there proves they were "sucky" players.

I wouldn't say BGs have no skill behind them, less then arena yes. BGs are a ton of fun though, and grinding up gear for BGs from honor and Arena points will improve your BG experience.

I don't get it. If any of this was true, how did we determine PvP balance when we didn't have Arena?

Did we all get around in a circle, start ******* and see how far our ejaculate travels? Because that seems to be the popular method, going by posts made in this thread.

Wow, that one post I did must have really gotten to you. Really slammed your psyche.

As I have said time and time again, the smaller the scale of PvP, the less effective Shaman are. The reverse is also true. Shaman go from horrid in duels, world PvP, and 2v2 to mediocre in 3v3, good in 5v5, and acceptable in BG's.

It still doesn't change the fact that as a stand-alone class, Shaman are severely lacking in PvP balance. Why should Shaman be the only class justified by "Go play 5v5 or run with a pack in BG's"? It's really easy for other people who don't actually main Shaman at 70 to harp on, but when you're the one maining the Shaman at 70 and you can't win a one-on-one encouter to save your life, you tend to get a little cranky.


And using experience in a 29 BG to make a blanket statement like, "The class is great and everyone playing them at 70 must really suck if they think otherwise," is more than a little off-target as well.