Life Tap Nerf?Follow

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Officially announced in the 2nd link. I know my lock is only in his 60's, but this is severally disappointing announcement.. Why is it PvE keeps having to suffer at the hands of Arena? Not PvP; Arena. It blows my mind Blizz's inability to comprehend what they keep doing! "stack more Int than Stam"??? Warlock =/= Mage. I LOVED lvling a mage and lock together 25-60 for this kind of reason.

More stam or spelldmg? It goes to the lock
More Int or crit? It goes to the mage

And correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't end-game PvE gear stack stam? So.... locks are supposed to go after mage gear now? I'm just not able to comprehend the obvious stupidity in this game at times.

Like it was said in the 2nd link:


This is nothing against BG's or Arena, this is against Blizz and their attempt to change one side of a game without care of how it will effect the other side.

Never should've done the Arena the way they did. Rewards should've been titles or mounts or something like that. Why is the best PvP gear available through the Arena, but not the Battlegrounds?

Why can't I do battlegrounds hardcore every day, put just as much dedication into it as a 2000+ rating Arena fighter and get awesome gear in return? That's how it used to work back when the Arena was just some thoughts on a piece of paper.

They should make duels count towards Arena points as well. The Arena is nothing more than multiplayer duels. And duels have always been unfair as hell. Rock, scissor, paper.

Blame the developer, Kelgan. If you haven't read the WoW forums on the site, read up on him. He's the one responsible for wrecking our class.

Anyway....If he keeps nerfing us, I dunno about the rest of you, but I'm either rerolling or quitting WoW altogether. This nerf is the straw that broke a lot of camels backs, so to speak...

Not useless, but it just means that you'll be helping those melee burn you down by life tapping yourself for 2k+ hp for <1500 mana. Brb, rolling a hunter (who someone at blizzard apparently loves ='(

What the **** are you idiots talking about? This is GREAT for PvE. Currently my lock life taps and returns roughly 1900 mana in a raid. With the upcoming patch it will begin to return 2600+. While it is going to hurt in PvP because it means more lost life, rarely am I life tapping in a raid and not getting a heal. When you've got around 12k HP and 11K mana this is a godsend. It means more efficient casting rotations.

What I'm saying is that while you're taking a bigger hit to your HP you are still gaining more MP than the previous version of life tap. Since you shouldn't be taking such massive hits to your HP from raid damage and since it is relatively easy to recover (either through a raid healer or pots or health stones or drain life), you will be life tapping less often for NO detriment. Your HP comes back as quickly as it goes out.


Look at the standard life tap situation. You begin tapping and a healer throws a HoT on you. The HoT heals for around 1k+ ever 3 seconds, something like renew heals you for around 5k+ HP on the late tier 5 level. A warlock rocking 13k HP taps for 26% of it and loses 3400 HP. This is ALL back in the course of 1 renew. A single global cool down restores it. If this same lock raid buffs up to 10k mana is getting back 2600 mana per tap. A bad ratio, sure, but since Renew is pretty much the standard for healing a tapping warlock, the cost in healer mana is essentially the same. Even if you tap 3 times in a row, you're still being healed in the same way, through HoTs, perhaps in combination with a single large heal, as you would be pre-2.4.


Meanwhile, a warlock with 1800 shadow power is getting roughly 1440 of that returned on his life taps, plus the 580 base return. This is 2020 mana. The highest known unbuffed shadow power is 1340, so that means you would need demonic knowledge, imp fel armor and divine spirit, along with a higher than average spell power, wrath of air totem, and a flask just to get to that level and STILL not have the same return/tap as after 2.4.

Yes, it will eat through your HP more quickly, but your HP will be healed at around the same rate. You will, however, gain more mana/tap than ever before. What are you complaining about?

Edited, Feb 26th 2008 2:13pm by Loki

The complaints come from your numbers being wrong. You were going by a lock getting back 26% mana per tap while it is actually 15%/16.5%/18% (depending on talent spec). Those numbers put it back in line into being a nerf of mana/tap for most warlocks on top of it eating through hp more quickly.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822674384&sid=1&pageNo=145#2885
They are changing the current PTR implementation anyways, so the current complaints could be meaningless then.

For locks towards end-game and a lot of gear along the way that's made for them, Stam is in large helpings. A lock that goes after mage gear is usually gimping his ability to DPS in PvE settings.

1.0-2.3
Int is bad, Stam is good.

2.4
Mage gear ftw?

Robe Examples:
PvP
PvE
PvE

So... shhhh, it's quite time..

Because dedication =/= skill?

I've seen countless Warlords, High Warlords, people who had no job and PVP'd 12 hours a day before the expansion. Now? They're rated 1600 because they suck at PVP.

This isn't just an arena nerf, don't kid yourself.

Gorefiend, Bloodboil, Mother, Req of Souls, Council, Illidan, Rage, Kaz'Rogal all have fights with AOE/single target raid damage that isn't on a timer (or is frequently off the assigned timer), deals retarded amounts of damage and if you're sitting at 7-8k is capable of killing you before a healer can get to you.

Please write me a bossmod that tells me beforehand when I'm going to get hit with Gorefiend's shadowbolt volley five times in a row. I'm begging you.



Meh, moot point now that they're revising it anyways. Hopefully they won't do something worse, but knowing the current warlock design team..

Edited, Feb 27th 2008 7:27am by Banatu

Hmm that was pretty much how Necros worked in EQ. Always seemed to work for them. Although was funny to watch em get caught up and do it during a break when they couldn't get life back. No pulls everyone taking a quick afk for food and such. Come back necros dead no one else. "What happened?" Necro:" I don't want to talk about it." hehe.

No, No, Hello No and **** no.

The complete overall concept of a Warlocks LT/DL system is vaguely similar to the Necros Lich/LT system but the difference in game mechanics and class design would make the Necros system a very bad thing in WoW.

If they did go to the extent of completely switching to the EQ Necros design, I would have a new banker alt.

I wouldn't mind it being an over-time thing, as long as it's not a buff that can be dispelled. (having a shammy spam purge your life taps? wtf?)

It's a decent pvp nerf too, since if/when you're oom you can't tap and instantly resume kicking *** and taking names. Which also wouldn't change the name of the game unless you're being mana burned, as a good arena lock will rarely fall below 50% mana.