Origins of BM vs MM?Follow

Your DPS is ok against Alar, but why are the other DDs so low on that chart? P1 is shoot -> run a little -> shoot more (even when on add duty you can dps alar a lot of the time and I don't expect your warlocks/mages to be on add duty in P1).

P2 is a bit more running around / avoiding fire patches, but most of the time you still can nuke away.

Did anyone test the silence shot on Shade? Like I said I believe it did interrupt him but I didn't get many chances to try as I got Dead quickly and we only tried to take him down once as it was getting late.

Also I haven't run kara lately. And the die hard MM hunter quit the guild.

He failed even before his spec. No one was very sad.

I can't believe this is still going on....
C'mon, BM and SV > MM for DPS utility and DPS output, no matter how you slice it. Granted being able to top DPS charts in a long fight (Prince, Nalorakk "Bear", Halazzi "Lynx" )and any other fight where you just sit there and spam, BM is stupidly easy to do great DPS.

The difficult part comes in doing great DPS while controlling your pet, using MD correctly, knowing when and how to use your cooldowns effectively, when to mend pet, when to pot, when to use which aspects (Viper, Hawk or even Wild) knowing which macro/ shot rotation to use based on your ranged attack speed..... and every GOOD hunter must know how to do this, here's the thing, MM will never beat BM even when they do all these things right as long as the BM hunter does them correctly too and SV will come in behind the BM hunter most of the time, but that really all depends on how the two are geared, but frankly it doesn't matter.

BM offers great DPS and great party DPS benefits, SV offers great DPS and great raid DPS benefits, MM offers.....less than BM or SV, so whats the argument about?

I raid and I am not saying it is better DPS. It just fits my needs at the moment. I want to be able to do damage while being able to trap. BM just doesn't offer enough without the MM tree for me to be comfortable with the BM/SV build.

Im not geared well enough for SV either. =(

Just curious where anyone has said that MM does more dps than BM in this thread?

The consistent anti-MM ranters throughout this thread are basically arguing against a strawman. Reading over the thread, I see people saying they like playing MM better, but nowhere do I see anyone arguing that MM is better dps than BM in raids. In fact most people readily admit that BM does more dps. So, what exactly are you guys arguing about and with whom?

Did his simple question really warrant this much of a response?

Forget Burning Crusade. This animosity originated before TBC, before Bestial Wrath in 1.7. That's actually when I specced BM, because I favored utility over damage, and I could use my pet both to solo effectively and to keep groups alive in instances.

Back then, BM was not hated, it was looked down on. It was considered the least useful spec (I personally considered it useful in different ways). This "useless" mentality existed from the Beta all the way till 1.7.

Then 1.7 came around, and the BM spec was not only useful, but easily accessible to newbie players. This originated the "idiot spec of an idiot class" mentality -- it was mostly true. This is where the true divide came, between people who loved it and people who hated it, but most of the hate came not from trying the spec, but from seeing people who had the spec..

TBC's arrival did nothing except solidify Beast Mastery as a competent spec, something that skilled Beast Masters had already proven.

The reasons for the animosity are long memories. MM remember beast masters being useless or newb-specs, while BM remember being ridiculed for their choice of spec. People who never experienced either get drawn into the conflict.

Sounds like to me your just stuck in an incompetent server.

It appears as far as many people are concerned SV's biggest flaw is that it isn't MM or BM. It may have things about it that are great or suck just like the other two but since it is the minority (or at least appears to be) both BM & MM can come together in solidarity to LOL at them.
It's like the age old Coke versus Pepsi battles. There is always someone who comes along and says they prefer RC Cola. It's just natural that they will get laughed at. Or, once upon a time, the whole PC vs Mac fights. A linux guy would come along and the PC and Mac people would both /point and /laugh at them. Now Linux is catching on.. well.. sort of.

I learned to avoid the RET pally thing before I even started to play WoW because of the people I work with. One almost truly did ROFL when he saw the other was RET on the armory. No clue what it's about.. Don't want to know.. Just know to stay the hell away from those discussions.

Edited, Mar 19th 2008 11:13am by MrTalos