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#52 Mar 05 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Thought Shade was immune to silence... Mainly because if he were to have all schools of magic disabled at once he'd hit 8k crushings. However, the silence abilities might still work as interrupts. Though, as you say, the CD is most inconvenient.
#53 Mar 05 2008 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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I thought I read somewhere that pets couldn't set of flame wreath. I've just never used mine to avoid the possibility. Just had him out when I was BM so I could BW, but kept him on stay by the door.
#54 Mar 05 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
Utarius wrote:
Thought Shade was immune to silence... Mainly because if he were to have all schools of magic disabled at once he'd hit 8k crushings. However, the silence abilities might still work as interrupts. Though, as you say, the CD is most inconvenient.


He is immune. Hitash is wrong; throwing Silencing Shot (or SP Silence) won't even interrupt the cast.
#55 Mar 05 2008 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
For me it is all about where im raiding. Certain fights, different specs perform better. With that said, i respec pretty much before every raid. BM does the highest damage in fights where i can just stand and shoot the boss, MM does better on fights like Vashj, and Alar, or where anywhere u can reliably use multishot, and SV is good at pretty much everything, which is why i consider it my main spec. Over all though for ME, the difference in dps isnt that much, 1200-1400 bm, 1100-1200 MM and SV. This is the reason i switch specs, because raiding as a hunter is pretty boring, so to keep myself interested i change things up a bit.
#56 Mar 05 2008 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Ieatrocks wrote:
I thought I read somewhere that pets couldn't set of flame wreath. I've just never used mine to avoid the possibility. Just had him out when I was BM so I could BW, but kept him on stay by the door.

Wouldn't surprise me. I've only done the Aran fight as a warrior, so I don't know, but I do know that blizz tend to let pets off the hook on some things like this. The Polarity Shift in Mech (can't remember if it's only in heroic...) comes to mind. My pet could stand next to a positively charged tank while being negatively charged without hurting him. That's for the best too... would've been an inconvenience otherwise.

RPZip wrote:
Utarius wrote:
Thought Shade was immune to silence... Mainly because if he were to have all schools of magic disabled at once he'd hit 8k crushings. However, the silence abilities might still work as interrupts. Though, as you say, the CD is most inconvenient.


He is immune. Hitash is wrong; throwing Silencing Shot (or SP Silence) won't even interrupt the cast.

Checked it up. WoWwiki says that he's immune to Silence, but Priest and Hunter (and perhaps Felhunter too...) silences will interrupt the casts. As I said: I've never played anything but warrior on these fights. I did go to kara on my hunter, but I was BM spec so...
#57 Mar 05 2008 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
Utarius wrote:

RPZip wrote:
Utarius wrote:
Thought Shade was immune to silence... Mainly because if he were to have all schools of magic disabled at once he'd hit 8k crushings. However, the silence abilities might still work as interrupts. Though, as you say, the CD is most inconvenient.


He is immune. Hitash is wrong; throwing Silencing Shot (or SP Silence) won't even interrupt the cast.

Checked it up. WoWwiki says that he's immune to Silence, but Priest and Hunter (and perhaps Felhunter too...) silences will interrupt the casts. As I said: I've never played anything but warrior on these fights. I did go to kara on my hunter, but I was BM spec so...


Yeah, I'm going to ignore WoWWiki on this one and say that Silence doesn't magically act as an interrupt in this one raid and nowhere else (and not in other applicable boss fights, either - Reliquary of Souls comes to mind).
#58 Mar 05 2008 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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Pets don't set off flame wreath. Feel free to use them as normal.
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#59 Mar 06 2008 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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RPZip wrote:

Yeah, I'm going to ignore WoWWiki on this one and say that Silence doesn't magically act as an interrupt in this one raid and nowhere else (and not in other applicable boss fights, either - Reliquary of Souls comes to mind).

Yeah, you're probably right, and I'll assume so since I've never had any experience or logical evidence to the opposite.
#60 Mar 07 2008 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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I'll see if our MM hunter wants to do kara and test it for ya.
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#61 Mar 07 2008 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I was pretty sure it stopped the cast while I was in Kara 2 nights ago as my Raid leader asked for me to try to be backup for the rogues in case of a resist on the interupts and I don't remember his spell going off when my silence shot when off though I could be mistaken as it was a little chaotic as people were droppin like flies.

Lost 2 druids right in the beginning of the fight. I got killed shortly after... followed with a combat rez and then getting hit for almost 3k and dying again... I knew I should have just laid on the ground for the rest of that fight lol.

Thanks for the info about the pets though. The group will be glad to hear it doesn't set it off. That was my first time even at shade so I never really knew what was going on until it was described to me and they asked me to dismiss my pet for the fight as they thought it would destroy us all.

I would like to add that was their second time fighting him so I am assuming they just read an old post and thought it still set it off.

Edited, Mar 7th 2008 8:50am by HitashLevat
#62 Mar 08 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I'll see if our MM hunter wants to do kara and test it for ya.

This would prove nothing... However, if you were to respec for 5 raids and get us the number for that, it could prove your point.
#63 Mar 08 2008 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
I see BM vs MM beefs all the time in trade chat, whever anyone mentions SV they all lol and then continue bashing each other.
#64 Mar 08 2008 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I see BM vs MM beefs all the time in trade chat, whever anyone mentions SV they all lol and then continue bashing each other.


SV ist krieg... I can annoy the hell out of every class and I can kill a clothie with 3 shots.
#65 Mar 09 2008 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Utarius wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
I'll see if our MM hunter wants to do kara and test it for ya.

This would prove nothing... However, if you were to respec for 5 raids and get us the number for that, it could prove your point.
What??? I'm sure if a silencing shot stops a shade cast once it would do it again, what's the point of testing it 5 times? Besides I wasn't trying to make a point, I have no idea if silencing shot stops shade, as I've never done kara with an MM hunter, I just thought I'd test it out.
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#66 Mar 09 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Utarius wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
I'll see if our MM hunter wants to do kara and test it for ya.

This would prove nothing... However, if you were to respec for 5 raids and get us the number for that, it could prove your point.
What??? I'm sure if a silencing shot stops a shade cast once it would do it again, what's the point of testing it 5 times? Besides I wasn't trying to make a point, I have no idea if silencing shot stops shade, as I've never done kara with an MM hunter, I just thought I'd test it out.

Sorry, thought you were still on about your "BM does more DPS than MM" rant.

Not that I disagree... :P
#67 Mar 10 2008 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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Mistress Draeneipally wrote:
I see BM vs MM beefs all the time in trade chat, whever anyone mentions SV they all lol and then continue bashing each other.


I've noticed that as well. SV is kind of a running joke to some I guess. Don't know any SV hunters so I have no clue.
#68 Mar 10 2008 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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MrTalos wrote:
Mistress Draeneipally wrote:
I see BM vs MM beefs all the time in trade chat, whever anyone mentions SV they all lol and then continue bashing each other.


I've noticed that as well. SV is kind of a running joke to some I guess. Don't know any SV hunters so I have no clue.
/shakes fist

Look around you! Me and Mulgrin are teh awesome SV hunters :P
And SV hunters just rule all, as long as we're the only SV hunter in the raid/guild ;)
+~230 AP for the whole raid ftw!
#69 Mar 11 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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BM and SV is teh shiet. MM only seems to notice BM though, maybe think that's the only real threat.

MM hunters are wrong about sooo much though...
#70 Mar 11 2008 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I only know 1 SV hunter and I have been trying to convince him to respec. Only because 1 hes in horrible gear... and hes speced 0/0/61.
#71 Mar 11 2008 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
I love Sv, but i dont think i can go back to it because of how slow u shoot, after running with bm for a couple weeks, i just cant do it. As far as im concerned people can keep ignoring sv, then they will run into a well played sv hunter and be like wtf!
#72 Mar 11 2008 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll just say 1 thing:
11% raid dps on first ever Al'ar kill as 5/20/36 SV spec ;)
Other 2 hunters are MM, lowest one died when al'ar was at 50% 2nd life or something like that though.
#73 Mar 12 2008 at 1:26 AM Rating: Good
Aethien wrote:
11% raid dps on first ever Al'ar kill as 5/20/36 SV spec ;)


Your locks suck!

Edit:
Just to diss you a bit Aethien :-) SSC Raid yesterday - Karathress fight. 5/20/36 spec; 0 group support (no feral druid, no agi totem, no heroism, no drums).
I edited out all other names as we do not publish wws stats with real char names and I do not have the combat log to anonymize those logs.

Edited, Mar 12th 2008 11:40am by Mulgrin
#74 Mar 12 2008 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Mulgrin wrote:
Aethien wrote:
11% raid dps on first ever Al'ar kill as 5/20/36 SV spec ;)


Your locks suck!

Edit:
Just to diss you a bit Aethien :-) SSC Raid yesterday - Karathress fight. 5/20/36 spec; 0 group support (no feral druid, no agi totem, no heroism, no drums).
I edited out all other names as we do not publish wws stats with real char names and I do not have the combat log to anonymize those logs.
All group support i had were my own drums and TSA ;)
And T5/6 gear vs a mix of blues and kara pieces.

(yes, i was most likely the worst geared person in that raid by far)
#75 Mar 12 2008 at 3:48 AM Rating: Good
Aethien wrote:
All group support i had were my own drums and TSA ;)
And T5/6 gear vs a mix of blues and kara pieces.

(yes, i was most likely the worst geared person in that raid by far)


Ok, then
1) all your DDs suck
2) your raid group is strange when you have T6 gear in your raid at your Al'ar 1st kill.
#76 Mar 12 2008 at 3:56 AM Rating: Decent
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doh ><
your T5/6 gear and your 1k+ dps on karathress vs my measly 826.4 on al'ar
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