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ya, i use that all the time and without imp.imm or emberstorm, only at 'roughly' the 1500+dmg mark does immolate become not worthwhile, with both it's still about a 30 dps increase, so near enough it's always worthwhile. corruption looses its theoretical use at around 1200+dmg, though between there and about 1400 it's lagging behind by about 10dps, depending on crit rate, which imo is enough of a decrease to risk having it on during the bosses/phases where you don't get to nuke much. theoretically, it's not worth it. practically it's worth it until you come to a boss where you never have to move.

Redownloaded the spreadsheet, plugged in all my values (4.88% haste that I ignored, ~11.5k mana, fully buffed values), and went with 50% ISB. I'm still getting a 2dps gain using Immolate (though that's hardly worth arguing over), though it falls behind if you've got a moonkin (crit favors sbolt), and is a larger gain if you get a shadow priest (less tapping with Immolate's higher mana cost, which is the main thing I forgot to consider when thinking about Immolate in a shadowlock's rotation).

So once you have 4pT6, then yes, cutting Immolate out is a negligible DPS increase. The farther you are from 4pT6, the more questionable cutting it out becomes.

My spreadsheet has me at the following.

Corruption: 1873 damage/cast time
Shadow Bolt: 1900 damage cast time

I have 4% haste though, dropping that and they're almost point-for-point equal. Hrm.. interesting. Still not worth the loss of raid ISB though, imo. If the ret pally can't keep judgement of the crusader (3% crit) up it's a teeny bit above shadow bolt.


You're probably right, it's 185 mana/second and sb is 168.

Edited, Feb 27th 2008 5:18pm by Banatu

Either way, it's semantics. Derailing a thread is priceless though.

Wasn't this about fire? Then rogues, now corruption.

finally bothered to go onto the ptr. incinerates bonus damage due to immolate hasn't been buffed to 444, means fire doesn't get anywhere near shadow still. the latest leulier spreadsheet also confirms this.

actually the latest leulier does included the changes to emberstorm and lifetap + all other changes.

you forgot to add CoD to that, SB comes out top :P (or at least it did with my stats)

also... gotta love the "item" tab, putting in all my gear and it gives me all the stats. also great for whenever i get a new upgrade and i want to see the change

Hmmm... what are you casting then? We are usually 4 or 5 locks (all affliction as we are not yet on hit cap) which means CoS and CoE are always up with the rest casting CoA on mobs and CoD on any boss.

we don't raid with fire/frost mages usually, though we do have 1 in the raid but his dps increase alone isn't equal to the dps decrease from whichever lock has to use CoE instead of CoD/CoA. so yeah. CoS+CoRec is all we use :D

I really don't know why you don't. Arcane is bloody awful now, and you're progressed enough that you'd think people would want to min/max.

Also, it's rather pitiful if 10% more DPS doesn't exceed ~110 DPS. People really should be doing more damage than that after like... Lurker, although some fights with a lot of movement it might skew the other way if their damage is pitiful.

most bosses have 300-350 AP as standard, which is negated through demo shout. the 135 from CoRec isn't an issue. though on some bosses it may not be worth it (ones which enrage often/do abilities with high AP multipliers), though this is only true if your tank has issues tanking.

also about the mages. arcane is heavily underrated. with the T5 2set bonus, arcane completely kicks the **** of fire or frost. as i've said plenty of times. our main mages know what they're doing and their damage is beyond the reach of anyone. ABx2 AM rotation works a treat and is definately on par to fire/frost at endgame level, imo it's better than them too.

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 7:55am by Jenovaomega

I am out of t5, but i have to agree to some point with jen that arcane does loads of damage at least in t5 content with apropiate gear.

Well there are players and players^^
I usually outdmg better geared locks...but i am no expert on mages i must admit, all i can base my claim on is that once our mages changed to arcane they got dangerously close to my dmg in t5 content.