Ok, just something that randomly popped into my head. I personally find Feint worse than useless 99.99999...% of the time. I know for a fast that a whole lot of other rogues agree with me. However, part of that is because I find that I have to disrupt my spamming SS to do a feint.
Now, I have seen Macros that will do something along the lines of using SS unless Riposte is up; then it will use Riposte. Does anyone think that a macro that does the same thing with SS/Feint would be worth using?
Given it would still be using the Energy required for Feint, triggering the GCD, and only dropping ~1k threat, but could a macro like this actually make Feint occasionally useful?
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- SS+Feint macro
SS+Feint macroFollow
It is still not going to be very useful because of the reasons you pointed out.
1. You are triggering the GCD
2. You are expending energy for 0 DPS
3. If you have a good tank you should not be coming close to grabbing aggro
It is still much better to just go balls to the wall and then pop a vanish to erase all threat and get a fresh opener out of it.
1. You are triggering the GCD
2. You are expending energy for 0 DPS
3. If you have a good tank you should not be coming close to grabbing aggro
It is still much better to just go balls to the wall and then pop a vanish to erase all threat and get a fresh opener out of it.
Feint was only useful for Combat Daggers in pre-BC raiding because of the Backstab damage.
Feint has no use right now, there is no reason why anyone should be using Feint, especially when Vanish is up.
Feint has no use right now, there is no reason why anyone should be using Feint, especially when Vanish is up.
If you use any kind of SS+Feint macro, it should be used with a modifier. Something like:
/cast [modifier:shift] Feint; [nomodifier:shift] Sinister Strike
This way you are not taking up an extra button in your UI, not searching frantically for the button, and not spilling your coffe in your lap from running the mouse of your mousepad...
/cast [modifier:shift] Feint; [nomodifier:shift] Sinister Strike
This way you are not taking up an extra button in your UI, not searching frantically for the button, and not spilling your coffe in your lap from running the mouse of your mousepad...
Ok, I was actually wondering if anyone could make a macro for this. I know it is terribly inefficient and all that but I have actually come across an instance where it will be handy for me.
Gruul.
I am having some serious issues with not taking second on the threat meters, even when I wait for the soaker to get 10k threat, then I again start having issues not that long after vanish. I even just sit back and do nothing for periods of time but am still having issues.
Personally I don't know much about how to make macros work, so, if someone would be willing, it would be a great help for me if i could get this macro made. If no one can just pull this out of their ***, then I will try to figure out it out on my own.
Gruul.
I am having some serious issues with not taking second on the threat meters, even when I wait for the soaker to get 10k threat, then I again start having issues not that long after vanish. I even just sit back and do nothing for periods of time but am still having issues.
Personally I don't know much about how to make macros work, so, if someone would be willing, it would be a great help for me if i could get this macro made. If no one can just pull this out of their ***, then I will try to figure out it out on my own.
Really? On Gruul? I would think good SPriests would have more issues (with the Tailoring gear) with threat than you...
And are you getting Salv or Might in raids? I am really perplexed by this, because I know you aren't an idiot, your tank can't be (that) bad (based on Armory), and Gruul isn't a hard encounter. So something is going on, is it just you whos having issues?
Note all of these questions/doubts points at how incredibly horrible feint is. I would seek out an answer and talk with your tank before you tackle the macro issue.
Hmm, wowwiki has a decent section on macros, I would imagine the one given by Untoucheable would work best.
And are you getting Salv or Might in raids? I am really perplexed by this, because I know you aren't an idiot, your tank can't be (that) bad (based on Armory), and Gruul isn't a hard encounter. So something is going on, is it just you whos having issues?
Note all of these questions/doubts points at how incredibly horrible feint is. I would seek out an answer and talk with your tank before you tackle the macro issue.
Hmm, wowwiki has a decent section on macros, I would imagine the one given by Untoucheable would work best.
Cool, thanks fr the link Therion!
Well, the issue on Gruuls is that He occasionally will just pimp slap the person who is second on threat within Melee range. That means I must be behind both the tank and OT. I CAN do this, but not without to dropping to about 700 or less DPS.
I am hoping that with Feint macroed, I can bump up to 800 DPS w/out taking second in Melee threat.
Yes, I run Salv, and I would run multiple Salv if I could I think. I <3 Salv. Also, I do wait for both the MT and OT to generate 10k threat before even attacking. Then, once I have caught up, I vanish to clear threat. However, this still isn't proving enough and I find myself having to severely cripple my DPS simply to stay alive.
I was just hoping that this would prove a passably decent solution.
I was going to link armories of myself and the tanks but armory seems to be down...as usual lately.
Anyways, the 2 tanks are Tankina and Verbalbliss, then I am, of course, myself. All on Silverhand.
Well, the issue on Gruuls is that He occasionally will just pimp slap the person who is second on threat within Melee range. That means I must be behind both the tank and OT. I CAN do this, but not without to dropping to about 700 or less DPS.
I am hoping that with Feint macroed, I can bump up to 800 DPS w/out taking second in Melee threat.
Yes, I run Salv, and I would run multiple Salv if I could I think. I <3 Salv. Also, I do wait for both the MT and OT to generate 10k threat before even attacking. Then, once I have caught up, I vanish to clear threat. However, this still isn't proving enough and I find myself having to severely cripple my DPS simply to stay alive.
I was just hoping that this would prove a passably decent solution.
I was going to link armories of myself and the tanks but armory seems to be down...as usual lately.
Anyways, the 2 tanks are Tankina and Verbalbliss, then I am, of course, myself. All on Silverhand.
I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to create a macro like that. The reason the riposte macro works is because riposte is not always available to be used. Feint is. If you use a similar castrandom macro, theoretically you'd be feinting 50% of the time and sinister striking the other 50%, which is not what you want.
Honestly, the problem is either with your tanks' threat generation, or your inability to use vanish. I'm leaning towards the first. There's just no way that with salvation, you should be second on the aggro list at 800 DPS. That's about 321 TPS for you, when you account for salvation and our innate threat reduction. Even a mediocre OT should be able to outpace that when raid buffed.
When you consider that you get a free threat wipe, it shouldn't even be close. Something else is wrong here. Feint is not the answer. You'll lose DPS if you choose to feint, not gain.
Honestly, the problem is either with your tanks' threat generation, or your inability to use vanish. I'm leaning towards the first. There's just no way that with salvation, you should be second on the aggro list at 800 DPS. That's about 321 TPS for you, when you account for salvation and our innate threat reduction. Even a mediocre OT should be able to outpace that when raid buffed.
When you consider that you get a free threat wipe, it shouldn't even be close. Something else is wrong here. Feint is not the answer. You'll lose DPS if you choose to feint, not gain.
I looked at your tanks and your armories yesterday, they look fine. Have you considered nipping your poisons?
Considering what you said, why isn't your off-tank generating as much threat (as close to the MT's) to keep you off of second? It seems odd one tank seems capable and the other doesn't.
Considering what you said, why isn't your off-tank generating as much threat (as close to the MT's) to keep you off of second? It seems odd one tank seems capable and the other doesn't.
Check out this threat modifying items table for some items that could help you:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Threat
http://www.wowwiki.com/Threat
Are your hunters keeping a misdirect rotation up on the MT/OT? You can also time your Vanish to where you only need it once, and shouldn't have to worry about it the rest of the fight.
Quote:
I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to create a macro like that. The reason the riposte macro works is because riposte is not always available to be used. Feint is. If you use a similar castrandom macro, theoretically you'd be feinting 50% of the time and sinister striking the other 50%, which is not what you want.
/agree
In my experience in 5mans, it's pretty rare that I need a feint. But with some tanks and situations I have used it. So I added it to my AR key. The macro I use is:
/cast [modifier:ctrl] Feint; Adrenalin Rush
I've put these two together only because AR was the only key not doubled with something else already and I only rarely need Feint. You can use any modifier key of course, control is just easier for me.
Good luck.
First, Feint is not always up, it is on a 10 sec CD.
Second, I think that I know what the issue is, and we will be adjusting accordingly. The OT is the Warrior. Warrior rage generation=suck if they arent getting hit much, and if they aren't getting rage then they ain't generating much threat. Were switching that up this week.
Third, yes, the hunters were doing a MD rotation onto the OT primarily.
Fourth, I time my vanish so I trigger it at about 70% HP on Gruul. If I wait for longer, then I'll either be sitting back doing nothing or getting killed.
Thanks for all the advice and help guys.
Second, I think that I know what the issue is, and we will be adjusting accordingly. The OT is the Warrior. Warrior rage generation=suck if they arent getting hit much, and if they aren't getting rage then they ain't generating much threat. Were switching that up this week.
Third, yes, the hunters were doing a MD rotation onto the OT primarily.
Fourth, I time my vanish so I trigger it at about 70% HP on Gruul. If I wait for longer, then I'll either be sitting back doing nothing or getting killed.
Thanks for all the advice and help guys.
I'd second the modifier bit. Castrandom means you will be using it probably more than you want, but attaching it to another button means you can trigger it when you want without massively dropping your DPS.
Warrior threat generation when they're not being hit is as good or better than Druids is now, incidentally. He should just be spamming Devastate and Revenge (for when you avoid a Hateful), or he should get more Expertise if he's having real TPS issues. Also, make sure he's behind the mob... not in front.
Warrior threat generation when they're not being hit is as good or better than Druids is now, incidentally. He should just be spamming Devastate and Revenge (for when you avoid a Hateful), or he should get more Expertise if he's having real TPS issues. Also, make sure he's behind the mob... not in front.
Yeah, the OT stands behind the whole time.
Also, he is only putting out 230-300tps, but I'm a bit busy myself to watch what he is doing. Any hints for a way to get him to output more TPS? I'll check if he is just spamming Devastate or not.
Tankina's Armory. In RP gear or something right now though...Didn't know he RP'ed.
Edit: Here is the MT's Armory.
Edited, Feb 25th 2008 7:43pm by Nocthil
Also, he is only putting out 230-300tps, but I'm a bit busy myself to watch what he is doing. Any hints for a way to get him to output more TPS? I'll check if he is just spamming Devastate or not.
Tankina's Armory. In RP gear or something right now though...Didn't know he RP'ed.
Edit: Here is the MT's Armory.
Edited, Feb 25th 2008 7:43pm by Nocthil
Yeah, that doesn't help much.
EDIT: Neither does PvP gear.
Edited, Feb 25th 2008 10:45pm by RPZip
EDIT: Neither does PvP gear.
Edited, Feb 25th 2008 10:45pm by RPZip
Nocthil wrote:
First, Feint is not always up, it is on a 10 sec CD
You are correct; however, that's still entirely too often. Once you get into your combat rotation, you can only pump out one SS every 4 seconds. That means that you'll be feinting every 3-4 SSs. Use the modifier if you must feint.
Without being able to see his gear, it's hard to make any conclusions from that. However, his spec is terrible, especially for an OT. He's missing some key talents that will increase his threat considerably. I'd seriously consider having him spec to something like this.
He needs to make sure that he's got all the rage reducing talents, and Cruelty is a must. I took 3 points in Imp HS, which he shouldn't be using, but it allows him to take Anger Management, which will help some in long fights. He needs to have 1H Spec for the extra damage and rage gen.
He should be using the slowest high dps weapon he has for the extra devastate damage. As RP said, he should be attacking from behind to avoid parries. Make sure he's got plenty of rage pots and he should be using shield slam and devastate exclusively (unless for some reason he's able to revenge).
He should be able to outpace 300TPS easily, even if he's not getting hit.
Recent Visitors: 132
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (132)
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- SS+Feint macro
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC