Mongoose in the "Why are they called Welfare Epics" thread wrote:
pre-expac pvp gear was only better then raid gear if you earned the R14 badge along with it
...but if you did that, you prob didnt have time to raid
but what did they do? they made the HWL loot honor grind
...but if you did that, you prob didnt have time to raid
but what did they do? they made the HWL loot honor grind
So a general point (which perhaps is better suited to the general board BUT, I'm a rogue so I'm bringing this up with rogues...well and RPZip and Quor who love to OP and Execute their way through here):
Is good stuff simply too EZmode? Let's think about the old PvP system. I was barely playing long enough to play WSG for a week or two and get to R1 (Private) so I have little knowledge of the mechanics, but I believe it was essentially an intrafaction battle to see who had the most honor/week and from what I understand that grind was suicide at best and just impossible at worst.
If you could do it, then you got GM/HWL gear that was equal to some raid quality stuff. Otherwise, you didn't.
I could be wrong but it sounds like more work than simply attaining 1850 (?) for weapons and 2000 (?) for shoulders in the arena system. Was that system better or worse? Was it worth removing completely? I myself was looking forward to reaching Knight but o well...
Now what about Legendaries (ZOMG ORANGE!!!!)?
If I remember correctly, there were three legendaries pre-TBC: Ateish, Sulfuras and Thunderfury. I also recall hearing that these weapons were more than just simple drops from a raid, but that they required work even AFTER a raid drop was attained (probably more raiding but i dont really know). Now Illidan just nicely places his Warglaives down to be looted after battle. I guess from a logic standpoint it makes sense; I believe the other weapons had to be "remade" so it requires some production and some crafting whereas Illidan is obviously still using his blades so there doesn't seem to be much else that could be done for them.
Perhaps it doesn't bother anyone at all and I'm still fresh off the welfare discussion, but it seems to me that not only have epics become a little easier to get for non-serious/skilled players, but that everyone is getting the road to phat lewts paved just a little smoother.
Now am I to understand that they are going to make a way to "donate" your way to a new title for the new faction? I'm sure it will require 1) Exalted and 2) more than that. And then a "donation" of gold? I guess I will see what it requires before I make any judgments but I'm suspect of it.
Of course I think that Shadowgryph of the Shattered Sun has a ring to it.
Anyway there's more I suppose...attunements for one, honored for heroics instead of revered. Maybe I haven't experienced enough to see that this is probably better but it seems like maybe its not.
I don't know maybe I should go back to my hunter and experience leveling again...maybe this BG grind is killing me.
Edited, Feb 21st 2008 1:15pm by shadowgryph
Edited, Feb 21st 2008 1:16pm by shadowgryph