Are they trying to force warriors to tank or do arena?Follow

i wonder the same sometimes ¬,¬

if i was you i would just bite the bullet for a while and try of heroics, 1st get the legs from heoric mech if you dont have them already.

the cape from badges is rather nice i do believe, so i would edfo get that.

cant type more i gotta get to work....grrrr

there's also the cloak from moroes and the dagger from prince (malchazeen) as well as the ring from prince (garona's signet ring).

to answer your question very quickly, yes, you need to bite the bullet at some point and wear some leather and/or do some arena. i'm usually rolling against the rogues in 10 and 25mans for dps gear... recently it has been for the dragonspine trophy from gruul, and previously it has been for malchazeen and garona's signet ring. currently, i am still wearing the leather belt from gruul (girdle of treachery) until i make enough money to buy myself a RBoB.

if you pick up blacksmithing, you can craft yourself the 1h mace for PvE (the haste proc is great) and also the 2h mace for PvPwnage. additionally, you can pick up engineering for the epic dps plate and tanking plate goggles that are T5 equivalent, and only require 350 engineering skill to make.

malchazeen

it may not be optimal, but it carries another 50 AP and some hit rating with it

Do use all ways for improving.
If you don't want to PvP at all you have limited yourself a lot.
If it is only Arena you want to avoid - check honor rewards - they are easily farmable and decent.
Check craftables - Vengance Wrap and Red Belt of Battle for example are top quality gear and there are more.
2.4 will introduce some new badge rewards - saving badges can be something to take under consideartion... There are even weapons avialable ^^ and very nice weapons as I see it.

Heroic loot becomes outdated very fast - I think they should look at it soon as badges are the main reason to run heroics nowadays.

Btw - making 10 matches a week needs actually minimal time. Much less than any other way of getting gear.

I had this rather long and elaborate post that addressed this entire thread and how I don't think people are following what I'm asking, but I'm not going to post it. I realized, as I was about to hit "post message", that I can still take devioususer's advice from the DPS guide and wear leather. It annoys me, but it's honestly the only way to gear up from where I am without doing arena. I got two leather pieces from Kara already, and they're nice. Just not plate.

I do want to make this one point for the people that have posted thus far - heroics would not provide significant upgrades for me. I geared up based on Xordon's list, so if what I have isn't quite as good as a purple heroic item, it's very, very close. And badge rewards don't have crit rating. And you shouldn't have to do PvP to gear up for PvE, as no other class has to.

OK, three points.

apparently you just posted before i submitted and i think this deserves its own post.

xordon's list is situational. When I replaced a few things there that had more dps, i found myself at times consistently losing dps. It's not a bible, it's a reference. Just like the www.maxdps.com site (although i must say, that site hasn't lied to me yet). As warriors scale with gear, the gear you prefer differs. In the beginning you're trying to max out your hit so you don't miss special attacks, after that, the prioties shift to crit, then they go to ap [via str or AP gear] and also, ArP.

It's tough to say what things you should be going for in kara based on your post since you didn't include your armory page or gave us any numbers you are currently working with...

no, you don't have to. but all i know is that when i plug my numbers into maxdps and it shows me the items i can upgrade to, the s3 gear is waaaaaay up there on the top of the list, right under MH/BT gear (and now sunwell also).

Wow, thanks guys. Maxdps.com is damn sweet. I'd never heard of it before.

o.O

what nubs are you raiding kara with?

I think he was saying total time spent to get the drops you want. Either way, the post honestly didn't say much that was worthwhile anyways. Yes, you can get gear more quickly via PvP, grats. Most of us are aware of this. Most of us are also aware, however, that the gear is far from optimal for PvE outside of a few pieces.

Warriors being being made to be tanks!.. Oh Em Gee go figure. Thats like saying hunters have to do ranged damage and not be a melee noob.

You are exactly right...get feral druids to OT as they provide DPS for the fights that only require one tank (all but Moroes, Spite[due to beams] and opera events). I've never really been asked to OT except for a few occasions, we just bring in a feral druid and run 2 or so healers. Not bad considering the only fight that is constant aoe dmg to melee is Maiden (i think...its been a while since i've been in Kara). Either way, I think you guys are missing that nice tree inbetween your precious Arena and Tank specs, called the Fury tree. I'm pretty sure it still exists, and I'm also pretty sure that warrior dps is quite viable in raids nowadays. I dont know, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there are DPS warriors everywhere (some are fury some are not..)

Just don't think that Arena's and Tanking is all there is to warriors, me personally, I dont have a lick of PvP gear, but go into the BG's as a raid spec'd d/w warrior. So...I'm at work and lost my train of thought...

First of all, your experience isn't gospel. And really I only say this because of the way you use caps and the overall tone your caps seems to imply.

Second, and maybe even partially misunderstood, you don't need any specific rating to get any S3 except the weapon and shoulders.

Third, you can get any single vindicator piece of gear in no more than one BG weekend (even more realistically in 2 days of the 4 day BG weekend) if you do a small bit of research to figure out which BG weekend it is, and whether or not you feel comfortable spamming that particular BG back to back (looking at your honor per hour)... It's not impossible to make 10k honor in a single day... though that's a very long day not to mention a more favorable BG weekend.

Continuing further from that... You know you will get the Vindicator item and even aproximately how long it will take you to get it after you get your hands dirty in starting up the BGs. It's almost like there's an imaginary experience bar filling up to full as you progress. With random drops you don't get that, and for some folks the piece of gear you were wanting might decide to drop the one night you decide to hit the movie theater instead of raiding (obviously, in more intense guilds, going to the theater on a raid night might be a serious offense)

The thing in Kara is that the loot is random drop... then if the gear you want did drop you're potentially competing for it against someone else, then there's the idea that you might not be able to make a run one week or you have the worst of luck and you won't get anything of real use for another 2+ runs... and then even if you did get the gear over someone else it then becomes a matter of where does your guild stand in progression?

A) Your guild is doing T5/T6 content and their only reason to do kara is to help alts, or farm badges, etc. In this position, you can probably pick up a few key pieces from Kara before you're carried through Gruul's lair once or twice, then pick up a key piece while there before you're doing T5 content etc... If this is how things are for an individual I can definitely see why they think the way they do about PVP gear being a waste of time for PVE content. Not everyone is on this boat, however. Not everyone can have their hand held through a raid like this. If anyone finds this wording offensive, it's not my intention.

B) Your guild is just getting into kara and everyone and their mom is looking at those loots for upgrades. In this position, even if you get a few lucky pieces of gear for upgrades on your first run, you still have to spam the place and hope everyone else can get themselves geared up enough such that your guild as a whole can progress to the next best thing. That... or you can guild hop once you've gotten what you wanted/needed to move on... which the only thing for me to say about that is f' that. Then, once your guild as a whole is capable of progressing to something a bit harder (you know, after all the guild hoppers have weeded themselves out, picked up a few more new interested folks, lost one more to guild hopping, having to rerun and regear a few folks, etc), it's kind of the same thing all over again... everyone now wants stuff from gruul's lair... and you have to spam stuff until the guild as a whole can move to harder stuff

In "B" this gets to a point where you can't even label a piece of gear for the time it took to earn/obtain. You can clear kara in 6 hours this week, clear it again the next week, and a 3rd time after that... but this time spent ultimately now has to be tacked onto the additional time you will spend in Gruul's Lair or SSC... and then that gets tacked on to the time spent in BT... all just to get to a point that you have the best option available to you. Really... how many hours do you think it will realistically add up for the average person to get to a point that they can have the 1st or 2nd best option in the entire game available to them through means of PVE content? This includes the time spent to buff gear (gems, enchants, leather working patches) all on gear that will probably eventually be replaced on the quest toward getting the #1 gear.


There are a number of S3 options where they rank the #2/3 spot for a purpose in PVE play out of all the gear in the entire game and some of them aren't even that far behind that gear slot's #1 spots. And if that purpose of a particular piece is DPS... it also comes with the added bonus of hightened HP, and better overall survivability. It also happens to come with the advantage that it's something you can do/obtain on your own time or on a more casual schedule.

In close, stop with all this "PVPing for gear is a bigger waste of time" VS "PVEing for gear is the bigger waste of time", because realistically it will vary person to person. And when I say it will vary, I don't even mean within the constraints of the "A" and "B" scenarios I gave above. There's far more to an individual's life and their expectations of it for this to be so easy to break down. Different people will vary in the way they value their time spent on a game. Some folks will have more time to dedicate to the game than others. And Arena is something that is open to even the most casual gamer all while offering some of the best gear options in the game even when placed on a PVE scale.

Edited, Mar 5th 2008 3:32pm by Torzak