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Is the deep fire build going to be fixed? it was right in its day but with the patches its no longer the raid build. the 40/0/21 with a frost mage to add to those oh so nice crits is where its at. i went from deep fire to the 40/0/21 build and you will notice the difference immediatly. 12k mana pool with 1000 spell dmg made me drool. first time i raided with mah mage i was laughing at myself for not seeing the error in my ways :P and omg the cooldowns. aint nothin like popping all you got and seeing your spell dmg jump to 1300 for awhile

unless you have the ability to just AB spam the entire time with destruction potions/serpent coil braid.

close to what we do actually.

so you raid for badge loot and T4 which gives you spirit. they say unbuffed 300 spirit is what you need for AB spam i believe. if you dont have 300 spirit, than you do a 3/3 rotation. 3 AB 3 FB. fully raid buffed i almost had 13000 mana and if you ever wanna watch that drop faster than a rogue drops energy than spam AB with your cooldowns from the arcane tree(30% more spell damage but 30% more mana used, faster casts) with blood lust is just unreal. want a 1 sec AB spell cast?

i gotta dissagree with that. this spec is the best for undergeared mages. the boost in int and spell dmg is just too much to pass up. in decent blues a mage can get up to 700 spell dmg and the mana to back it up.

after 4 pc T6, why does fire make a comeback? with the AB buff (or debuff depending on how you look at it) and the less cast time of a FB i cant see how it works. for your two fireball casts i get three frostbolts. i got burnt out just before the guild i was in downed vashj so i dont know but i can tell you my old class leader is in full T6 and is either the mage stacking for crits or is 40/21 arcane frost. top raiding guild in my server (which sucks but still)

thanks for your time and consideration and the look over for my suckage of quoting. XD

IMO, truly undergeared mages should run a 40/0/21 as a frost build. The extra spell damage and the ghost hit for elemental precision will make up for a lot of gearing lack. At that point in gear, I'm not sure the average mage should have much spirit as you can't really afford the hit you take to spell damage by gaining it.

Not when you consider that Empowered Fireball scales a lot more than Mind Mastery does.

Awesome! ;-)

I added a section some time ago that breaks down the pros and cons of the races. Read the sticky itself and try to work it out from there.

Penetration won't help a whole lot with the spell hit issue(2 different things entirely). 20% regen while casting is nice, but rather unnecessary for a frost build. Only build with any real mana issues is an arcane based build, and they build themselves around that.

Furthermore, you have to understand that Elemental Precision gives DOUBLE the bonus in +hit to Frostbolt, due to a bug in coding(testing has confirmed it to exist). If you're looking at the build for raids, then it's most certainly a talent you don't want to pass up, especially as frost. If you're looking at it for PvP, I'd imagine we could find a better place to spend those points than for regen.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2008 5:57am by Poldaran

It is like free spell penetration, but it isn't overly amazing. I just pick it up for the threat reduction of my arcane spells. and instead of putting points into imp arcane missiles.

Also, I get easily distracted by shiny things and forget what I'm doi....



Ok back. What was I saying?

I think Arcane is now the best PvP spec since the update. Istant cast spells and slow makes you pretty untouchable.

Fire is pretty much completed, the formatting and text is all done. I believe frost just needs to be formatted and arcane needs a bit more substance.

We should have those parts released and then potential builds afterwards.