Trying to contain my ranting, but seriously, a trinket that is absolutely one-of-a-kind, on the last boss of an instance that people on my server seem to be absolutely terrified of (even though it always goes off fine) with a random loot drop system that must be coded specifically to not give you the one thing you want... GRRR!
I've long ago hit exalted, along with the Savagery enchant and everything else I could possibly want, but I'm stuck going back because the heal-on-block effect of that trinket is just too good for the mass-AoE pulls that I do...
*sigh*
At least I get 5 badges whenever I find a group to run it on heroic...
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You don't need to run it on heroic for that trinket. Just find some noobs that just hit 70 and run them through! Good drop rate for me.
Funny story:
So we're running SH for the first time on my Pally tank, just hit 70 a few days prior. So we're rolling with a guildy Resto-Shammy that no one is quite fond of(known for a ninja before and inability to play any class he tries). This shammy(who I had only heard about, first time I had rolled with him) would lightning bolt and melee as the healer.. We wiped a few times because of this until my roommate told him to cut it out. Killed the mood, but meh, it was needed. Anyway, we reach the end and behold! The trinket drops! I had no idea it existed until that point to which I, what scientists label, freaked-the-fack-out.
So our shammy healer, we'll call him... Frank. Frank says "omg need!". The 4 of us laugh! Make silly comments! Good times had by all!
=D
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Then he selects 'Need' on the UI roll..
I will state that a common rule known by anyone who's played this game more than a month knows that in a group you always pass on BoP gear. Common courtesy. So rolling on an item using the UI option is bad enough. But on a tanking trinket.. not only used by a Shaman, but a Resto Shaman is something that made me just, snap. I don't know what happened, the words I typed were some of the most malicious, asinine, horrid and demonic things I've ever typed to another person, nay thought! Is this a rare drop compared to other loot on this guy? I didn't know at the time. Our "healer" left the party after apologizing, stating he "thought it was just a shield-person trinket." After that we got another healer and ran the place 2 more times and it dropped. The guild leader(who was with us through the whole ordeal) told me it was a common drop off this boss and not to worry, that we'd get it. Sure enough I did. After that point my roommate and I swore to never run with that guy again.
2 weeks later he quit WoW. There was much cake to be had.
=) Yes, I am an addict and a horrible person.
Funny story:
So we're running SH for the first time on my Pally tank, just hit 70 a few days prior. So we're rolling with a guildy Resto-Shammy that no one is quite fond of(known for a ninja before and inability to play any class he tries). This shammy(who I had only heard about, first time I had rolled with him) would lightning bolt and melee as the healer.. We wiped a few times because of this until my roommate told him to cut it out. Killed the mood, but meh, it was needed. Anyway, we reach the end and behold! The trinket drops! I had no idea it existed until that point to which I, what scientists label, freaked-the-fack-out.
So our shammy healer, we'll call him... Frank. Frank says "omg need!". The 4 of us laugh! Make silly comments! Good times had by all!
=D
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..........
Then he selects 'Need' on the UI roll..
I will state that a common rule known by anyone who's played this game more than a month knows that in a group you always pass on BoP gear. Common courtesy. So rolling on an item using the UI option is bad enough. But on a tanking trinket.. not only used by a Shaman, but a Resto Shaman is something that made me just, snap. I don't know what happened, the words I typed were some of the most malicious, asinine, horrid and demonic things I've ever typed to another person, nay thought! Is this a rare drop compared to other loot on this guy? I didn't know at the time. Our "healer" left the party after apologizing, stating he "thought it was just a shield-person trinket." After that we got another healer and ran the place 2 more times and it dropped. The guild leader(who was with us through the whole ordeal) told me it was a common drop off this boss and not to worry, that we'd get it. Sure enough I did. After that point my roommate and I swore to never run with that guy again.
2 weeks later he quit WoW. There was much cake to be had.
=) Yes, I am an addict and a horrible person.
Healed SH about a dozen full clears (not counting failed attempts) before my healing mace drop happened as I was gearing up for Kara.
I feel your pain!
Course now I just go in with a Prot Pally and laugh at it on Heroic. But those first times scrambling through people who had no idea about the gauntlet or CC or holding aggro on more than one mob really really sucked.
I feel your pain!
Course now I just go in with a Prot Pally and laugh at it on Heroic. But those first times scrambling through people who had no idea about the gauntlet or CC or holding aggro on more than one mob really really sucked.
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God I hear ya. Usually it was all about the druid/shaman drops in there. Actually come to think of it I think the run I actually got my trink on we had a druid and a shaman and a paladin. I think that composition screwed up the WoW "***** you" loot engine and we all got what we wanted.
Something to consider...
Something to consider...
TacticalRage wrote:
You don't need to run it on heroic for that trinket. Just find some noobs that just hit 70 and run them through! Good drop rate for me.
Yeah I know. I was just saying though that if I happen to get a group good enough to do it on heroic, even if I don't get the trinket, I still get badges!
TacticalRage wrote:
Is this a rare drop compared to other loot on this guy?
Like most drops in WoW, it is a very common drop.... unless you need it, then it never drops.
The first time that trinket dropped I let my friend have it because he's been a tank since... forever and I wasn't tanking that instance. It was actually my first SH run.
I didn't see it again until I was halfway to exalted. Not as bad a situation as you, but it still sucked not seeing it drop over and over and over again.
It's an amazing little trinket though, it lets me pull almost twice the amount of mobs as before only because I can heal myself up all the way depending on the number attacking me.
I didn't see it again until I was halfway to exalted. Not as bad a situation as you, but it still sucked not seeing it drop over and over and over again.
It's an amazing little trinket though, it lets me pull almost twice the amount of mobs as before only because I can heal myself up all the way depending on the number attacking me.
Its funny how at level 70 you still run into those players that hit need or greed on the ui.
I was tanking through one of the higher end normal instances (I think SV or Slabs) and the enhancement shammy UI needed a cloth healer piece for his "heal set." We were running the instance for this shadow priest that wanted to respecc back to holy. He was so happy to see the piece drop, thanking everyone in the group and doing the /cheer macro thing, only to see the shammy roll need on the UI. Shammy won the roll by something ridiculous like 1 or 2 and the Priest lost it.
I guess thats what you get for pugging anything in wow. Seriously though how do you get to 70 and still not know to pass on all bops? This guy didnt seem like a ninja, he really looked liked he didnt know lol
That trinket comes in handy when your soloing old world content too like pulling the first couple of streets in stratholme. i love it when your health goes down to 25% then you use it and bamn back to full HP!
Edited, Feb 18th 2008 7:00am by arthoriuss
I was tanking through one of the higher end normal instances (I think SV or Slabs) and the enhancement shammy UI needed a cloth healer piece for his "heal set." We were running the instance for this shadow priest that wanted to respecc back to holy. He was so happy to see the piece drop, thanking everyone in the group and doing the /cheer macro thing, only to see the shammy roll need on the UI. Shammy won the roll by something ridiculous like 1 or 2 and the Priest lost it.
I guess thats what you get for pugging anything in wow. Seriously though how do you get to 70 and still not know to pass on all bops? This guy didnt seem like a ninja, he really looked liked he didnt know lol
That trinket comes in handy when your soloing old world content too like pulling the first couple of streets in stratholme. i love it when your health goes down to 25% then you use it and bamn back to full HP!
Edited, Feb 18th 2008 7:00am by arthoriuss
Wow, I must be the king of the noobs then. I've never known an instance group to have everyone pass on BOP stuff. It's always ask before need. Same thing for non-raid instances in the guild my shammy is in.
Granted, I don't run a lot of instances, but that seems just as easy to me as everyone passing and then /rolling.
Granted, I don't run a lot of instances, but that seems just as easy to me as everyone passing and then /rolling.
Hmm. The observed etiquette on servers I play is everyone who wants to can greed, and people who need it first ask and then need. Not asking is acceptable if it's incredibly obvious that you need it - for example, if you were the tank in the situation above.
Everyone passing on BoP gear is silly, because then no-one gets it. If everyone greeds and there's an enchanter in the group, he usually suggests that he need-and-shard, then /roll for the mats. Though once this happened and one of the groupies (5-man pug, not a great selection) gets really annoyed and says "wtf, idiot, you needed on a mail piece," and it's like "but we have a clothie, three leathers and a plate...no-one wanted it." I honestly think that guy was just lost when we /rolled and then I ended up with the shard. The shards sell for more than the piece would vendor for, so it's usually a more profitable system of dealing with unwanted items for everyone involved.
To avoid these situations, you should specify politely what piece you're looking for in this run, and ask that no-one hit need. If you want to get the sympathy vote mention that you've run this like 9 times already and that some idiot ninja'd it from you before.
Everyone passing on BoP gear is silly, because then no-one gets it. If everyone greeds and there's an enchanter in the group, he usually suggests that he need-and-shard, then /roll for the mats. Though once this happened and one of the groupies (5-man pug, not a great selection) gets really annoyed and says "wtf, idiot, you needed on a mail piece," and it's like "but we have a clothie, three leathers and a plate...no-one wanted it." I honestly think that guy was just lost when we /rolled and then I ended up with the shard. The shards sell for more than the piece would vendor for, so it's usually a more profitable system of dealing with unwanted items for everyone involved.
To avoid these situations, you should specify politely what piece you're looking for in this run, and ask that no-one hit need. If you want to get the sympathy vote mention that you've run this like 9 times already and that some idiot ninja'd it from you before.
What you say makes sense, Zepoodle, but I think the reason people pass on BoP items is because if you need to take a while talking about it, it's still there to loot (instead of letting that little bar at the bottom running out - I'm not sure what happens then, but I don't want to know). And there's less margin for error, like someone hitting greed when they really could use it, only to lose it to the enchanter. And if everyone passes, whomever ends up taking it just re-loots the mob and picks it up.
Not to de-rail this interesting discussion, of course. But I do love my pallys in Shattered Halls. And that trinket does look dead sexy.
Not to de-rail this interesting discussion, of course. But I do love my pallys in Shattered Halls. And that trinket does look dead sexy.
In a most epic battle, where the entire rest of my group was dead while Bladefist was still at 5% (and my guild was ******** at me to leave and join the TK raid), I managed to solo heal (yay for bubble+bandage) DPS (Hammer of Wrath!) and tank the boss. I ended the fight at just a few hundred hp (go go Ardent Defender) and even lower on mana, but IT DROPPED! WOOT!
I then went and got T5 shoulders from Void Reaver.
Currently up to just over 94% passive uncrushability, I wonder if that's enough yet to go solo the Panther boss in ZG...
I then went and got T5 shoulders from Void Reaver.
Currently up to just over 94% passive uncrushability, I wonder if that's enough yet to go solo the Panther boss in ZG...
:D I love soloing end bosses during a near-wipe. It's exactly what paladins should be doing. Considering that the tankadin can res everyone else, sheer tenacity has saved many a run from wiping on the boss.
Just remember not to loot the corpse until everyone has been resurrected...
Just remember not to loot the corpse until everyone has been resurrected...
zepoodle wrote:
Just remember not to loot the corpse until everyone has been resurrected...
People keep saying that but those bugs have been fixed for a long time. The only time it's an issue is if anyone is out of range, and that only happens if they've released. If they haven't released, everyone can roll, and everyone gets a split of the cash...
I did loot it while everyone was dead. :P
Ruddy mace never seems to drop, nor the one from mech. As to SH, can anyone say(just to confirm something for myself) which is the best position for the healer to stand on the last boss?
I got that trinket my first time into SH ever this weekend :D
KTurner wrote:
I got that trinket my first time into SH ever this weekend :D
mikeyvach wrote:
(instead of letting that little bar at the bottom running out - I'm not sure what happens then, but I don't want to know).
If I remember correctly, it just automatically passes for you.
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Skarlandra wrote:
can anyone say(just to confirm something for myself) which is the best position for the healer to stand on the last boss?
From my experience, anywhere is good, apart from where you're standing.
mooblareig wrote:
Skarlandra wrote:
can anyone say(just to confirm something for myself) which is the best position for the healer to stand on the last boss?
From my experience, anywhere is good, apart from where you're standing.
Yup, scatter is the plan. Have every ranged DPS in a different corner. When he starts doing his whirlwind, being spread out will cause him to spend more time spinning from one to the other than spinning in place and owning everyone.
CapJack wrote:
It's an amazing little trinket though, it lets me pull almost twice the amount of mobs as before only because I can heal myself up all the way depending on the number attacking me.
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mikeyvach wrote:
(instead of letting that little bar at the bottom running out - I'm not sure what happens then, but I don't want to know).
If I remember correctly, it just automatically passes for you.
(instead of letting that little bar at the bottom running out - I'm not sure what happens then, but I don't want to know).
If I remember correctly, it just automatically passes for you.
You are correct. If the timer bar goes to the end, then you automatically pass.
zepoodle wrote:
Everyone passing on BoP gear is silly, because then no-one gets it.
Uh, seriously? If everyone passes, the item stays on the corpse and the corpse keeps twinkling until everything's been looted from it. If no one can use the item and everyone passes, you can have a rational discussion about what to do with it without the pressure of that little bar tick-ticking away at you. It makes people do craaaazy things.
HoyadinFTW wrote:
zepoodle wrote:
Everyone passing on BoP gear is silly, because then no-one gets it.
Uh, seriously? If everyone passes, the item stays on the corpse and the corpse keeps twinkling until everything's been looted from it. If no one can use the item and everyone passes, you can have a rational discussion about what to do with it without the pressure of that little bar tick-ticking away at you. It makes people do craaaazy things.
The flip side to this is there are people just just can't resist the sparkling corpse (well, who can!). Nothing's rational when there are sparklies involved.
ive been running a lot of pugs lately. a LOT. And every single one on my server has used the blizzard UI need/greed system. No pass on BoP crap. takes too long and is totally unneccessary now. That whole system was used back before the UI was put in the game, well before it was in its current state.
People who use it now are just asking for trouble imo.
People who use it now are just asking for trouble imo.
KTurner the Meaningless wrote:
People who use it now are just asking for trouble imo.
Signed, I hate when people try to pull that crap.
If you need it, roll need. If you don't need it, roll greed. If you are an enchanter, don't roll until everyone else rolls. Ask if it's ok if you can DE the item, DE it, then have everyone roll on it.
It's not rocket science.
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