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#1 Feb 15 2008 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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I've been haunting this forum off and on for a while as I play my shaman off and on. I've lately rolled a horde one and while she's slightly lower level than my alliance I'm starting to pay attention to things like...

Is it really normal for me to use almost none of my class skills and talented abilities?

For instance, and I remember a conversation long ago in my 4 days in TFS with Baelnic about how the usage of totems while soloing is almost entirely useless (I was trying to use them much more than I should have and wondered why I was always drinking).

What I'm also noticing now is that with Flurry, Shamanistic Focus is nearly pointless. If I crit it's either on the killing blow (whoo hoo) or close enough to the point that flurry will actually manage things better than a shock will and allow me to move on faster.

I know it may sound like it but I'm not trying to spark (re-spark, fan, blowback?) the whole "Blizz needs to re-evaluate shamans" thing.

Look I'm level 26 ok. Specced enhancement for leveling, know that I can heal instances and all that jazz.

What I'm looking for here is... god how do you even word this...

I end up meleeing, a LOT. A quick heal and I'm back at it. Totems? Pfft. Shocks... sometimes though less and less often. I guess I'm asking is this right? Do I just throw a few bolts for pulls then melee or is there something that I'm missing that will allow me to maximize my play.

I hope this makes sense. I'm not looking for level 70 strats and I apologize for that. I'm looking at how to learn my class best levelling and I'm not sure that lightening, lightening, melee is it. Or is it?
#2 Feb 15 2008 at 9:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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To be perfectly honest, Cel, I'm not entirely sure where the whole "Enhancement Shaman are leveling fiends" idea came from. Personally, I found leveling from 1-40 with a Shaman to be my single most painful WoW leveling experience to date. However, once you break into your mid-40's and pick up Stormstrike, Dual-Wield, and mail armor it's an entirely different class. At that point you will see Flurry and Shamanistic Focus proc nothing short of constantly and you'll cut through mobs like a tauren through hot gnomes. I mean, at 26 you don't even have Windfury yet.

I'm not going to lie to you. The next 14 levels are going to be a brutal slog, but if you can make it to 40 your efforts will be well rewarded. Post-40 Enhancement Shaman are leveling machines.

Celcio wrote:
I end up meleeing, a LOT. A quick heal and I'm back at it. Totems? Pfft. Shocks... sometimes though less and less often. I guess I'm asking is this right? Do I just throw a few bolts for pulls then melee or is there something that I'm missing that will allow me to maximize my play.

Nope, that's pretty much it. Searing Totem is dirt-cheap, you might want to lay that, but other than that all you should really do is auto-attack and shock if and when you get a SF proc. Anything else is a waste of mana, so just save it all to heal yourself up after fights and then move on to the next one.
#3 Feb 15 2008 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Gaudion wrote:
Celcio wrote:
I end up meleeing, a LOT. A quick heal and I'm back at it. Totems? Pfft. Shocks... sometimes though less and less often. I guess I'm asking is this right? Do I just throw a few bolts for pulls then melee or is there something that I'm missing that will allow me to maximize my play.

Nope, that's pretty much it. Searing Totem is dirt-cheap, you might want to lay that, but other than that all you should really do is auto-attack and shock if and when you get a SF proc. Anything else is a waste of mana, so just save it all to heal yourself up after fights and then move on to the next one.


Ok this is what I thought and what I've been doing (I tend to be more judicious with my searing totem/any totem only because I've inadvertently drawn aggro when I can't make it die).

Like I said, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something. The first toon of a class is always you'r "muddle through" toon no matter how much you read. With this second one I just still feel like I'm muddling but from what you say it sounds like that's just how it is - there are no tricks, it is what it is right now.

It's actually not horribly bad (I guess I'm comparing) I just wanted to make sure that I was maxmizing my abilities. Unfortunately I guess I was right, my abilities seem to be group-based and largely useless as solo right now. I'll deal with it.

Thanks for confiming that I'm not completely clueless! (in this regard)

And for reassuring me that I really *haven't* come into my own yet. (because if I had this would be ugly to 70 - I want to heal there so I figure once I reach it I'll be golden)




#4 Feb 16 2008 at 2:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I believe at 30 you get Totemic Recall, so that fixes any aggro problems with Searing Totem.
#5 Feb 16 2008 at 2:55 AM Rating: Decent
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you can milk some more use out of totems by setting up a "totem camp" and pulling mobs to it. you have to be careful, as totems are aggro magnets, but generally if you can kill 3-4 pulls of guys per totem drop you're coming out ahead in the totem/mana game.

i also only tend to use either healing stream/mana stream and str of earth or grace of air. all of those last two minutes, and if you can keep em down for a minute then its actually a big help.

but if youre moving constantly this doesnt work as well. in high density areas it can be real nice tho.
#6 Feb 16 2008 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
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lol ya... when I was level9ing as a shaman all I did was bash stuff down and then heal...

As a matter of fact while leveling I preferred whale (stam and spirit greens) mainly cause I never casted so the mana regen wasn't bad, and the stam helped me live, only until I was higher level where spells and abilities seemed more useful did I actually wear more str, agl, and crit gear.

But ya most of your leveling is simply bashing and healing.

I will say, I did enjoy flurry quite a bit for 1h weapons though, I used those allot while leveling too...

I agree it gets better after 40 where Storm Strike is available and earth shock and lightning shield start becoming a bit more handy.
#7 Feb 18 2008 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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I recently revived a level 29 shaman I had sitting around somewhere and dinged 40 with it last weekend, and I actually found the experience, post patch 2.3, a lot less painful than on my pallie in terms of leveling speed.

I pull with a LB from a distance, flame shock before stuff is in range, then use either frost or earth shock depending on their current DPM score and mob health left (using DrDamage to get the value). Yes, it makes me drink quite often but I take about 12-15 seconds per mob worst case, that's a lot better than what I believe I experienced on the pallie. Then again I resumed playing right before getting windfury, I have no money issues so I tend to get the best blue two-handers for sale at the AH around my level, and my gear is quite slanted on agility, int and stamina.

And if I overaggro, there's always the good old stoneclaw totem to keep unwanted attention while I kill something else, or bandage.
#8 Feb 18 2008 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Oh don't get me wrong Alastair, I'm not having huge problems with her (I, too, levelled a pally Smiley: grin) it just seemed odd to me that I was using very little of my abilities.

Sure, you don't necessarily use everything you get at low levels but it seemed like I was using much less. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't being an idiot and missing something cool.

I have had an opportunity to do the totem camp thing, thanks Quor. You're right, when stuff's close enough together that works really nicely! Unfortunatly I'm a kill and run sort of shaman usually.

She's 29 now, can't wait until 30 (and hoping the air totem quest isn't as annoying as the water one).
#9 Feb 18 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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Man, the air totem quest is THE MOST ANNOYING QUEST Blizzard ever invented.

Good luck finishing it without some higher level help.
#10 Feb 18 2008 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Man, the air totem quest is THE MOST ANNOYING QUEST Blizzard ever invented.

Good luck finishing it without some higher level help.


Hahaha I sure hope you're joking =P

The water one is the worst out of the four totem quests. A lot of running back and forth, that's for sure.

Edited, Feb 18th 2008 3:27pm by xNocturnalSunx
#11 Feb 18 2008 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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xNocturnalSunx wrote:
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Man, the air totem quest is THE MOST ANNOYING QUEST Blizzard ever invented.

Good luck finishing it without some higher level help.


Hahaha I sure hope you're joking =P

The water one is the worst out of the four totem quests. A lot of running back and forth, that's for sure.

Edited, Feb 18th 2008 3:27pm by xNocturnalSunx

Agreed. Air was a piece of cake, water was a nightmare.
#12 Feb 18 2008 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Man, the air totem quest is THE MOST ANNOYING QUEST Blizzard ever invented.

Good luck finishing it without some higher level help.


You dork Smiley: grin

That totally smacked of the whole buildup to the Chess event that my guild gives to folks who haven't been to Kara before.
#13 Mar 04 2008 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rather than create a new thread... I reached 40 on my Shaman this weekend. the last 5 levels well, truly and completely sucked. Pretty much this:

Gaudion wrote:
I'm not going to lie to you. The next 14 levels are going to be a brutal slog, but if you can make it to 40 your efforts will be well rewarded. Post-40 Enhancement Shaman are leveling machines.


And coming up on the last few bubbles of 39 I kept thinking "OK I've heard this about classes before, I also heard that shaman get better at 30 and that didn't happen. If 40 isn't all that and more I'm going to cry."

There were no tears. Holy friggin crap, like Gaudion said in the same post quoted, it's an ENTIRELY different class. Even with a paltry 12% or so crit rate, flurry and SF proc more than I can possibly cast shocks. Even with quite a few "miss miss dodged miss miss" stretches there are still more than enough "crit, WF crit, WF crit" strings to make up for it.

It's utterly nuts how fast I can cut mobs down now. Add to that the ability to wear mail and I marvel at how cavalierly I can wander into stuff now. Stoneclaw totem rarely gets used anymore since I'm fairly confident I can mow through adds fast enough to not need it.

It's just really crazy, this could be the most fun I've had with a toon.

Thanks for helping me through the first bit and being dead on with what happens after 40!
#14 Mar 05 2008 at 5:13 AM Rating: Good
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Had the same experience since dinging 40. I'm sitting close to 16% crit chance at level 43, and these last levels just flew by (despite barely getting any playtime). The only thing is... I get focus so much now that the sound starts getting on my nerves :)
#15 Mar 05 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I have to agree with Alastair on the sound with SF procs. Very annoying whit my crit sitting at 25% unbuffed. As far as what he said not using his abilities very much goes. One of the things I like do when SF procs at a time when I'm going to just bash a mob to death is just run as fast as I can toward the next mob and flame shock it to pull it to me. Of course running to another mob will be that much easier if ghost wolf becomes an instant cast spell with 2 points in improved GW. That will make grinding even better.... well faster anyway.
#16 Mar 05 2008 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I was kind of wondering the same thing myself.

I just hit 30 on my shammie and haven't had the time to try out Windfury (that will be tonight). Given the information on this thread, I won't give my hopes up, but I am so looking foward to being an enhance shaman that nothing will get me to give up this class.

But yeah, the 25-30 run was boring and painful. I've also seriously updated my equipment so I should be killing a bit faster now. I'm taking the mindset of a warrior with this class: upgrade as much as you can every 2 levels or so. But man that gets expensive.

lvl 40 here I come!

Edited, Mar 5th 2008 2:29pm by Taratru
#17 Mar 05 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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For 30-41, what helped me tremendously was upgrading to the best / slowest blue 2H money could buy every time I could - with a WF proc stuff went down 2-shots, and if I didn't get a proc, 10-12 seconds per kill remained bearable.
It's dual-wield which is just plain crazy though.
#18 Mar 05 2008 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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My shammy dinged 40 relatively recently and it is a transformative experience. But, frankly, it's still mainly an autoattack toon, now with stormstrike spam (and maybe an ES when SF procs and I have mana to burn).

I find shammies most interesting in groups, where the totem layout matters a lot and can change from moment to moment. I also like to overpull and see if I can figure out what totem drops will save me, in order to give myself something to do between stormstrikes. But the amount of drinking this requires makes this an inefficient lvling strategy.

Had a similar experience with my baby pally. I think both classes are mainly autoattack toons. They become very interesting in groups due to their support nature. There is something fun abt tearing thru a mob with one SS, an ES and two autoattack swings, though, so I'm sticking with the shammy.
#19 Mar 05 2008 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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tuskerdu wrote:
There is something fun abt tearing thru a mob with one SS, an ES and two autoattack swings, though, so I'm sticking with the shammy.


This.

And yeah it still is an auto-attack toon but at least it's an effective auto-attack toon now Smiley: grin My main issue was if I was just misplaying the class followed closely by "oh god please don't tell me it's going to be like this for 70 levels"

Alastair - I completely agree both on the DW being just nuts and the focus sound getting just a titch annoying.

Kellin - Yeah I'm doing the additional pull thing now, before I'd have to heal and stuff first

Taratru - hang in there, it gets SO much better
#20 Mar 13 2008 at 4:58 AM Rating: Decent
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WOO! Hit 40, grabbed Stormstrike and Mail and went to freakin town!

Now I'm 41, grabbed DW, and am ripping everything to shreds.

Shaman is AWESOME!
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