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#1 Feb 14 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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After studying Petopia, I decided to tame an Elder cloud serpent:
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_eldercloudserpent.shtml

Ok so a lot of people don't like to use them, but I love it :)

Anyway, I went to Arathi and Tamed a Young Mesa Buzzard, which has the innate skill of Dive:
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_youngmesabuzzard.shtml


Sure enough, dive appeared on the toolbar.
I dismissed it, and headed off to Thousand Needles and tamed the serpent.
I was dissapointed to see however that it didn't have Dive as a trainable skill. In fact, Dive doesn't actually appear on my list.

Is there a reason for this?

#2 Feb 14 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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Probably what's happened is that you haven't used the mesa buzzard enough in combat to learn dive from it. You usually have to use the pet in combat a few times and have the pet use the skill during the fights in order to learn it. Once that's happened - it shows up in your chat log in yellow text, "you have learned <skill name> rank<x>" - then you can typically train that skill to another pet. However, there are also some pets that cannot learn certain skills. I don't know if that applies to dive and the cloud serpent, but pettopia should be able to tell you.
#3 Feb 14 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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What snardo said.

Just because the pet you tame has the ability doesn't mean you learn it right away and are able to train it to other pets.

You need to use that skill over and over until it says you have learned the ability. Then you can train other pets that are capable of learning it.
#4 Feb 14 2008 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Also, I would seriously reconsider taming another windserpent. The one you tamed has caster stats, and those are bad. The closest white windserpent to your level that doesn't have caster stats is this one.
#5 Feb 14 2008 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks :)
I was going to change to the above serpent when I reached the level, I might just use the Buzzard for now!
#6 Feb 14 2008 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Carrion birds make great tanks in general. The armor bonus plus screech help a lot. I really like mine.
#7 Feb 14 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
Nobody trains the wind serpent because it is a caster pet. Having a caster as a pet is a very bad idea. Their stats are horrible. If you don't believe me then read the thing that Petopia has written about it.
#8 Feb 14 2008 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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BlackRevolution wrote:
Nobody trains the wind serpent because it is a caster pet. Having a caster as a pet is a very bad idea. Their stats are horrible. If you don't believe me then read the thing that Petopia has written about it.


Not all windserpents are caster pets.

If you don't believe me then read the thing that Petopia has written about it
#9 Feb 14 2008 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobody trains the wind serpent

Synn, he was saying that nobody trains that specific wind serpent because it has caster stats, not all wind serpents.
#10 Feb 14 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Yuppley wrote:
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Nobody trains the wind serpent

Synn, he was saying that nobody trains that specific wind serpent because it has caster stats, not all wind serpents.


You see this is bad grammar and why using proper grammar, that everyone gets ragged on about on these forums, is important.

See, he said the wind serpent. Which gramatically speaking is a gerenal statement which refers to all windserpents.

Had he said that wind serpent, he would have been specifically referring to that particular wind serpent in the thread.

It's these minor details that, while some may call nerdy, help us to better get our thoughts across, and allow other reads to better understand what we mean.

Edited, Feb 14th 2008 4:58pm by SynnTastic
#11 Feb 14 2008 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Carrion Birds are made of awesome and win.
You should try one for a while ;)
#12 Feb 14 2008 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Had he said that wind serpent, he would have been specifically referring to that particular wind serpent in the thread.


Which WS, this one or this one. As far as I can see, they are both mentioned in the thread, and they both have relevance.

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See, he said the wind serpent. Which gramatically speaking is a gerenal statement which refers to all windserpents.

I'm kind of surprised, as you spelled both grammatically and general wrong, but more than that, the wind serpent refers to the wind serpent being mentioned, and the family of wind serpents would be known as just that, wind serpents, with a s. Wind serpent is not a plural, like fish, or deer, etc., it is just like the plural of serpent, serpents. I'm not trying to earn an *** hat or anything, I'm just wondering how you got that.

Edit: I guess that I can't spell either.

Edited, Feb 14th 2008 5:40pm by Yuppley
#13 Feb 14 2008 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Yuppley wrote:


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See, he said the wind serpent. Which gramatically speaking is a gerenal statement which refers to all windserpents.

I'm kind of surprised, as you spelled both grammatically and general wrong, but more than that, the wind serpent refers to the wind serpent being mentioned, and the family of wind serpents would be known as just that, wind serpents, with a s. Wind serpent is not a plural, like fish, or deer, etc., it is just like the plural of serpent, serpents. I'm not trying to earn an *** hat or anything, I'm just wondering how you got that.


Lol I did spell that wrong, shame on me, it was 5:00 had to finish the post before I left work so I rushed it.

It's hard to pick out one grammatical flaw in a sentence that is all together poor. But I'll try.

Wind serpent isn't plural, you are right, as long as you are talking about individual types of wind serpents. However, by putting "the" in front of it, you qualify wind serpent. Turning a noun into a proper noun. Wind Serpent, being the singular family name for all wind serpents.

To use another example.

Snakes are reptiles.

Obviously I am referring to all snakes. In a plural sense.

The snake is a reptile.

Same thing, put differently. "The snake" is referring to all snakes, but it is using the singular family name.

That snake is a reptile.

This one is referring to one particular snake.

I know you aren't trying to be an asshat, it's a good discussion, that wouldn't have been caused if proper sentences were used in the first place. lol

But it's a good thing hopefully some will read this and realize why grammar and spelling is important to relay your point properly without any misunderstandings.
#14 Feb 14 2008 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.


That's grammar for you boys. Watch and weep.
#15 Feb 14 2008 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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< whacks utarius up side the head for making him read that >
:p
#16 Feb 14 2008 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
Sorry for that error. I meant that specific wind serpent was inferior because it was a caster.
#17 Feb 15 2008 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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No offense Synn, but these kind of small things are beyond the knowledge of a lot of people here.
Most of us arent from england/US so try not to pick on small things.
You could perfectly understand what he meant without having trouble reading or anything.
#18 Feb 15 2008 at 1:14 AM Rating: Default
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I see this ended up as yet another Grammar thread , All i can say is 90% of the world do not use English as a first language ,we are not all americans with their bad in general terms of what they call English either , What is acceptable to one countries english is not always acceptable to others .

for example the american word for backside which i am not sure will get past a filter here is completely unacceptable in england and most European countries


as long as what is said is understood then WTF ,


What should have been said was the pet mentioned was a CASTOR pet , they are weaker than normal pets , do not use them , read on Petopia about CASTOR pets (a blizzard joke pet = castor )

Also to learn a skill from a pet can take some time , do not get rid of the pet until you know you have learnt the skill , For example i tamed a cat in ghostlands with claw and bite 3 , After about 5 kills i got the claw but it was about 20-25 kills before i got the bite 3 spell , just because it is in the pets toolbar does not mean you know it.
#19 Feb 15 2008 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Aethien wrote:
No offense Synn, but these kind of small things are beyond the knowledge of a lot of people here.
Most of us arent from england/US so try not to pick on small things.
You could perfectly understand what he meant without having trouble reading or anything.


No actually my first reply was what I thought he meant. I honestly thought he meant all wind serpents, it's not the first time I've seen someone have the misconception about them all being caster pets, so it was a pretty safe assumption.

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as long as what is said is understood then WTF


That's the point, a simple grammatical error can lead to misunderstandings. Which the poster who this whole discussion rooted from came back and corrected, bravo on his part. :-).

But WTF is if you take a little time to type properly it leaves very little room for misunderstandings, unless someone missreads it but that is the readers fault.


Edit: PS aethian, it's more americans that mutilate the english language than it is people who english is not their first language, sad but true. And you can tell a post where someone is just learning english over someone who refuses to take a little time to correct grammar and/or spelling.

Edit 2: and yes I keep continuing this discussions because it's more +1s lol, got to hit that 1k mark.... probably should have made a new post to say this... Have to draw the line somewhere though.


Edited, Feb 15th 2008 8:37am by SynnTastic
#20 Feb 15 2008 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
Your now farming posts?
How... sad..
#21 Feb 15 2008 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Mocoso wrote:
Your now farming posts?
How... sad..


And what was this post of yours? A +1 or you just had to get your oh so insightful and important point across? ;-/

Private jokes on a public forum always end well. amirite?
#22 Feb 15 2008 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
I don't think a new poster with only 9 posts has the right to be accusing Synn of farming posts. Since he is a sage and all, and he has been here for quite a while. I just seem to think that what you said is very ironic, coming from and person with below 10 posts and all.
#23 Feb 15 2008 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
Mocoso wrote:
Your now farming posts?
How... sad..

And it's "you're" not your (as in "you are now farming posts?")

Also... You're an idiot.
#24 Feb 15 2008 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
I would have to agree.



Raise your hand if you think that Mocoso is an idiot!

Edited, Feb 15th 2008 11:18am by BlackRevolution
#25 Feb 15 2008 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
The proof is in what he said..

and yes I keep continuing this discussions because it's more +1s lol, got to hit that 1k mark.... probably should have made a new post to say this... Have to draw the line somewhere though

and being a scholar or sage is also pointless..
If all you do is ridicule people..

and being a person with under 10 posts clearly shows I am far from a post farmer..
I guess common sense eludes most people.. at least.. it seems to elude some of the Sages and Scholars here.. :)
#26 Feb 15 2008 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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/agree with Mocoso.
This is the wrong forum to farm posts if you're so desperate to hit 1k.
And although his first post might not be contributing much, he has a point.

BlackRevolution, kissing butt doesnt make people like you.
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