Plus some miscellanious other questions.
Due to a complete lack of paladins in my guild I'm currently playing my pala alt a little more often than usual and as we are currently working on 25 man content I was thinking it might be time to 'up my game' so to speak.
So I'm looking for a little help from more experienced pala healers on how to move forward.
A little about me
I would post an armoury link, but I like my anonomity, so here's a link to a sandbox of my toon (now that warcrafter is working for me) My Paladin
Unbuffed stats:
Sta - 377
Int - 453
Heal - 1541
mp5 - 102 (while casting obv)
Holy crit - 19.52%
Talent Build - 43/18/0
I generally spam FoL a whole lot and the occasionaly HL if my target looks a bit low. I'm currently using the defaut raid ui with mouseover macros, but am going to look into some addons (grid + clique I think) to tidy my ui up a bit.
Onto the questions
1. I'm planning to upgrade my Essence Focuser with Merciless Gladiator's Salvation which will boost my +heal by another 200 (just need to get some arena games in).
But I'm wondering which enchant would be best, should I go for +heal to bump that a bit more, or would Spellsurge possibly be worth it? I'm not sure if anyone's looked into how much mp5 it would equate to.
2. I have Breastplate of the Lightbinder, but saw Glowing Breastplate of Truth drop off Lurker the other day. My guild hasn't downed Maggy yet, so T4 isn't on the horizon and we don't run ZA atm. Is the drop in healing worth the increase in spell crit?
I realise you need to get a balance, but if future upgrades are likely to give me a surplus of +heal at the expense of crit then it would be worth picking up if I have the chance.
3. I've vaguely remember reading something about using r4 HL to keep up Light's Grace and that this in conjunction with the badge libram would be a good thing for mp5. Thing is I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to macros. If I have a macro that goes:
/cast Holy Light(Rank 4)
/equip Heroic Badge mp5 Trinket
Will it equip the trinket as soon as I start casting (and so register the benefits for the heal I cast, or would I need to cast it a second time?
Lastly, am I alright carrying on with my FoL spam? I sometimes feel like I'm not being an overly productive member of the raid. just not sure on how I could mix in some HL without going oom or it just leading to more overheal.
Thanks for any advice.
Edit: Oooo my links do the mouseover thing, I thought that was just for premium members.
Edited, Feb 14th 2008 7:31am by Tynuv
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Spellsurge is a group enchant. Don't worry about it unless you have multiple people getting it in a group. It's something like 11.5 or so mp5.
1.) Unless you have 2-3 others in the same raid group every week with spellsurge, 81 healing is more worth it.
2.) In your case, the lurker breastplate is an upgrade, you need the crit more than the healing. I'd actually even consider using Xi'ri's gift over the LCP until you get more stuff with crit on it.
3.) The time you waste casting a rank 4 + the activation of the GCD could easily get your tank killed. I don't recommend downranking just for the libram buff to anyone. They severely nerfed the coeffcients of downranking so your R4 heal will do next to nothing. However if you're dead set on it, you need to have the equip before the spell cast.. something like:
#showtooltip Holy Light(Rank 4)
/equip Libram of Mending
/cast Holy Light(Rank 4)
However, at the end of the spell you would be using your mending libram and not your nagrand one.
4.) It depends on the fight as to whether you can FoL spam. You certainly can do it through all of kara, first 3 channelers of Mag, and once all the channelers are dead. Some fights in SSC (ie. Tidewalker) will take more healing, but I don't think you're to that point yet.
2.) In your case, the lurker breastplate is an upgrade, you need the crit more than the healing. I'd actually even consider using Xi'ri's gift over the LCP until you get more stuff with crit on it.
3.) The time you waste casting a rank 4 + the activation of the GCD could easily get your tank killed. I don't recommend downranking just for the libram buff to anyone. They severely nerfed the coeffcients of downranking so your R4 heal will do next to nothing. However if you're dead set on it, you need to have the equip before the spell cast.. something like:
#showtooltip Holy Light(Rank 4)
/equip Libram of Mending
/cast Holy Light(Rank 4)
However, at the end of the spell you would be using your mending libram and not your nagrand one.
4.) It depends on the fight as to whether you can FoL spam. You certainly can do it through all of kara, first 3 channelers of Mag, and once all the channelers are dead. Some fights in SSC (ie. Tidewalker) will take more healing, but I don't think you're to that point yet.
1. Regarding spellsurge, it may be worth getting another Essence Focusser off the AH - they are quite cheap - and having one enchant on each. See which you prefer.
I tried it in a 5-man a couple of days ago, 4 casters in the group and it worked well. Sure it was boosting mp5 for me but it kept the tank (prot pally) and others energized as well. If you're going for the S2 mace, that doesn't have any mp5 whereas the Essence Focusser does, so you might feel the benefit of having it.
2. On the chest pieces, I haven't worked out how much 42 spell crit rating would give back in mana. You might want to take that into consideration as well as the +heal.
3. You can't change a trinket midway through a fight so you'd either have to do this before the start of the encounter or keep the trinket on all the time.
Librams may be different, I don't know about those.
I tried it in a 5-man a couple of days ago, 4 casters in the group and it worked well. Sure it was boosting mp5 for me but it kept the tank (prot pally) and others energized as well. If you're going for the S2 mace, that doesn't have any mp5 whereas the Essence Focusser does, so you might feel the benefit of having it.
2. On the chest pieces, I haven't worked out how much 42 spell crit rating would give back in mana. You might want to take that into consideration as well as the +heal.
3. You can't change a trinket midway through a fight so you'd either have to do this before the start of the encounter or keep the trinket on all the time.
Librams may be different, I don't know about those.
He wasn't talking about a trinket, he was talking about a libram, I knew exactly what he was talking about because I use it myself.
Performance in a 5-man is largely irrelevant. You can do 5 mans w/o anything enchanted. You don't want to raid with the wrong enchants. You will get more performance out of 81 healing (or 30 int for that matter) than you will with spellsurge if you are the only one in the group that has it.
Performance in a 5-man is largely irrelevant. You can do 5 mans w/o anything enchanted. You don't want to raid with the wrong enchants. You will get more performance out of 81 healing (or 30 int for that matter) than you will with spellsurge if you are the only one in the group that has it.
Tynuv wrote:
I would post an armoury link, but I like my anonomity,
That's a good thing 'cause I would re-roll on your server and kick your *** all over the place
Dilbrt wrote:
He wasn't talking about a trinket, he was talking about a libram, I knew exactly what he was talking about because I use it myself.
Performance in a 5-man is largely irrelevant. You can do 5 mans w/o anything enchanted. You don't want to raid with the wrong enchants. You will get more performance out of 81 healing (or 30 int for that matter) than you will with spellsurge if you are the only one in the group that has it.
Performance in a 5-man is largely irrelevant. You can do 5 mans w/o anything enchanted. You don't want to raid with the wrong enchants. You will get more performance out of 81 healing (or 30 int for that matter) than you will with spellsurge if you are the only one in the group that has it.
I admit, I was confused by the whole
Quote:
/cast Holy Light(Rank 4)
/equip Heroic Badge mp5 Trinket
/equip Heroic Badge mp5 Trinket
However, spellsurge... its benefits are not dependent on other people in the group having it. It doesn't proc any differently if they do or not. You don't get the benefit (of your enchant) more often and nor does anyone else.
If you're saying that a pally would get more performance out of +81 healing or +30 int then where's the benefit? If 4 people in the group have spellsurge and you don't, you're still going to get the benefit of their spellsurge whether you get that or any other enchant so why would you go for spellsurge?
Leodis wrote:
If you say it's a libram, I'll accept that.
Don't take my word for it, do your own research.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?source=live;witem=33502
Leodis wrote:
However, spellsurge... its benefits are not dependent on other people in the group having it. It doesn't proc any differently if they do or not. You don't get the benefit (of your enchant) more often and nor does anyone else.
If you're saying that a pally would get more performance out of +81 healing or +30 int then where's the benefit? If 4 people in the group have spellsurge and you don't, you're still going to get the benefit of their spellsurge whether you get that or any other enchant so why would you go for spellsurge?
If you're saying that a pally would get more performance out of +81 healing or +30 int then where's the benefit? If 4 people in the group have spellsurge and you don't, you're still going to get the benefit of their spellsurge whether you get that or any other enchant so why would you go for spellsurge?
You're missing the scope of the conversation. Yes, I'm well aware that spellsurge functions perfectly regardless of the enchants other people have. In a strict comparison of healing over time, 81 healing provides greater healing done than the mana you get from the occasional spellsurge (which might come out to 11mp5 over time, but should not be confused with straight mp5, it is a proc and happens on chance). Now if you have 2-3+ other people in your group with spellsurge, the efficiency changes to the point where you end up healing more with multiple spellsurges, than you get with 81 healing. What does 30 int give you? More base mana, and a marginal amount of crit (which leads to mana back), and a marginal amount of healing. I don't personally like 30 int, but some paladins swear by it. However if noone else has spellsurge, I would imagine even 30 int would provide a better performance in a raid.
Dilbrt wrote:
Yes, I'm well aware that spellsurge functions perfectly regardless of the enchants other people have. In a strict comparison of healing over time, 81 healing provides greater healing done than the mana you get from the occasional spellsurge. Now if you have 2-3+ other people in your group with spellsurge, the efficiency changes to the point where you end up healing more with multiple spellsurges, than you get with 81 healing.
But since having the +81 healing enchant doesn't exclude you from benefitting from the 2-3+ other people's spellsurge enchants, you have to take their enchants into consideration when calculating the effects of +81 vs spellsurge.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should go for the +81 healing. For the OP, who's considering getting rid of his current mace that has 11 mp5 and getting one with none, I still think spellsurge is worth it.
Thanks for the advice.
Firstly he is a she :P and I hate pvp so pretty much anyone could kick my **** at it.
Sorry about the Libram/Trinket mix-up, I knew what I meant (libram) but typed the wrong thing (trinket)... doh!
How much crit should a holy pala be aiming for at SSC level? I seem to have lost a bit from upgrading various items through Karazhan (and I really wish I had some better boots).
Also there is a chance that I'll be heading off to later parts of SSC if we need the healing more than my main (dps). At the moment I have no trouble healing on Gruul/Lurker (with 6 healers in the raid), but I'm worried about not being useful if I'm needed to heal on later encounters.
When more healing is required is downranking good to any extent or should I be looking more to cast max rank HL and cancel if it's not needed?
Firstly he is a she :P and I hate pvp so pretty much anyone could kick my **** at it.
Sorry about the Libram/Trinket mix-up, I knew what I meant (libram) but typed the wrong thing (trinket)... doh!
How much crit should a holy pala be aiming for at SSC level? I seem to have lost a bit from upgrading various items through Karazhan (and I really wish I had some better boots).
Also there is a chance that I'll be heading off to later parts of SSC if we need the healing more than my main (dps). At the moment I have no trouble healing on Gruul/Lurker (with 6 healers in the raid), but I'm worried about not being useful if I'm needed to heal on later encounters.
When more healing is required is downranking good to any extent or should I be looking more to cast max rank HL and cancel if it's not needed?
Leodis wrote:
But since having the +81 healing enchant doesn't exclude you from benefitting from the 2-3+ other people's spellsurge enchants, you have to take their enchants into consideration when calculating the effects of +81 vs spellsurge.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should go for the +81 healing. For the OP, who's considering getting rid of his current mace that has 11 mp5 and getting one with none, I still think spellsurge is worth it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should go for the +81 healing. For the OP, who's considering getting rid of his current mace that has 11 mp5 and getting one with none, I still think spellsurge is worth it.
True enough, but one should think of the group benefit if you've already got multiple healers with Spellsurge and you add another. It's kinda selfish not to.
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