So I finally got rid of all of my greens yesterday on my fledgling Tankadin, so I decided to try my hand at some of the easier heroics, namely Slave Pens. Sadly, I got my face pushed in.
Here's my armory: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Adegoke
Looking at my gear, yes there are a few upgrades I could do here and there. But I mean, my gear is pretty damn good for not having stepped foot in a Heroic.
Yes, I used CC. The problem is, I'd be tanking maybe 2 mobs and they'd be hitting me for around 2500+ including my blocks.
Some people just said "Those pulls are just hard, don't worry about it." So I go to heroic ramparts. And die horribly to the first pull.
I'm aware that the difficulty ramps up from normal instances to heroics, but I come from pretty much not having to worry about adds in a normal, to wiping on a 2 pull.
It's kinda just depressing at this point, and I am seriously debating if I should either abandon the toon, or just respec to ret. (Yes, lawlret)
Any words of advice would be helpful right now, thanks.
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First mistake I see is your spec, get deflection, it helps, a lot.
Your head needs the tank glyph from from revered KoT and your shoulders need the tanking thingie from aldor/scryers.
Now for my opinion:
Drop your spell damage gems for some def rating gems and push that avoidance higher, dodge and parry look really low to me, get rid of that darkmoon card and get a proper tanking trinket.
Personally I think your stam looks fine and you need to get more parry/dodge and fix up your spec.
It's pretty bad. Divine intel is useless, Reckoning is pretty much pointless at where you are at right now, 1 point in improved judgement is meh as is 1 point in pursuit of justice, and so is 1 point in spell warding. I'd think to grab BoK, finish spellwarding, and maybe spec ardent defender (but that's a whole other issue on these forums haha).
Your head needs the tank glyph from from revered KoT and your shoulders need the tanking thingie from aldor/scryers.
Now for my opinion:
Drop your spell damage gems for some def rating gems and push that avoidance higher, dodge and parry look really low to me, get rid of that darkmoon card and get a proper tanking trinket.
Personally I think your stam looks fine and you need to get more parry/dodge and fix up your spec.
It's pretty bad. Divine intel is useless, Reckoning is pretty much pointless at where you are at right now, 1 point in improved judgement is meh as is 1 point in pursuit of justice, and so is 1 point in spell warding. I'd think to grab BoK, finish spellwarding, and maybe spec ardent defender (but that's a whole other issue on these forums haha).
Hmmm, the armory must be bugging out. I in fact *do* have points in Deflection.
I plan to respec tomorrow, as that may be the cause of my failure. Thanks a lot for your help!
I plan to respec tomorrow, as that may be the cause of my failure. Thanks a lot for your help!
DrkMateo wrote:
get rid of that darkmoon card and get a proper tanking trinket.
What are you talking about? That's one of the best tanking trinkets in the game.
I will say this, though, OP. It's time to graduate to big boy gems if you want to tank heroics. It makes a difference when you have all blues instead of all green gems.
Take the 5 points out of Holy and put them in Ardent Defender. It is one of the best talents in the game when it's maxed out and practically indispensable for tanking, especially early on. Since I got that talent there hasn't been a single day that I haven't used it. When those 2k hits are suddenly 1400 hits it really helps you healer keep up. When you're at a low gear level and your healers are you'll find there are going to many instances where you're essentially ping-ponging back and forth between like 20% and 80% HP. This is because the decreased damage is kicking in and saving your ***, even if your healer can't keep up with the "standard" damage. I wouldn't recommend banking on this, but I would say having it as a safety net is almost mandatory.
DrkMateo wrote:
Drop your spell damage gems for some def rating gems and push that avoidance higher
No. His def rating is more than enough. Pure avoidance at this point would be better for heroics. +Dodge, specifically. +Block rating wouldn't go amiss either. Your health is pretty sweet, Zero.
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get rid of that darkmoon card and get a proper tanking trinket.
I'm embarassed that I even bothered addressing the first bit of your post as this bit shows that you're utterly clueless.
Keep the card, Zero. It freaking rocks.
Poldy's right, you've spent the gold for the enchants on pretty much every piece that can be enchanted and you still have green gems? Gem for avoidance - blue gems, it is a little low. +Block RATING will give the biggest return followed by +Dodge. Don't even bother with Parry.
The other thing to consider... you've quite obviously taken a lot of care and time to gear yourself appropriately for tanking heroics and possibly beyond. Has your healer taken the same care?
Your gear, stam, etc look pretty good to me with the exception of some tweaks mentioned. Seems like something else might be wrong with this picture.
Very nice gear. You have more HP than my warrior and your avoidance is higher. I'm still a little lost when it comes to pally tanking but looking at it at a prot warrior's point of view, you're pretty set for some heroics and first part of Kara. I think the Netherwing Defender's Shield would be a nice addition to your tanking gear.
Apart from that, try again and don't be afraid of wipes so matter how simple the heroic is. It's a learning process and at the same time, you get some very nice gear and most importantly, badges.
Good Luck !!!
Apart from that, try again and don't be afraid of wipes so matter how simple the heroic is. It's a learning process and at the same time, you get some very nice gear and most importantly, badges.
Good Luck !!!
You know sometimes it's just the healer's fault plain and simple. It's always an awkward conversation but he could just not have the gear to keep you alive or the skill.
I was doing heroic mech about a week ago with this healer. I've done heroic mech a few times before without much difficulty, but this time I just kept dieing left and right. The healer started blaming my gear. I checked out his gear and he was pretty epiced out in healing gear. Then I started paying attention to how he was healing. He would wait until I was at 50% and he was only throwing out FoLs (He was a Paladin) when we were fighting the destroyers.
So yeah try to get your avoidance a bit higher but it's not so big of an issue that you shouldn't be able to tank heroics. You might have had just a string of bad healers.
I was doing heroic mech about a week ago with this healer. I've done heroic mech a few times before without much difficulty, but this time I just kept dieing left and right. The healer started blaming my gear. I checked out his gear and he was pretty epiced out in healing gear. Then I started paying attention to how he was healing. He would wait until I was at 50% and he was only throwing out FoLs (He was a Paladin) when we were fighting the destroyers.
So yeah try to get your avoidance a bit higher but it's not so big of an issue that you shouldn't be able to tank heroics. You might have had just a string of bad healers.
Loki wrote:
Take the 5 points out of Holy and put them in Ardent Defender. It is one of the best talents in the game when it's maxed out and practically indispensable for tanking, especially early on. Since I got that talent there hasn't been a single day that I haven't used it. When those 2k hits are suddenly 1400 hits it really helps you healer keep up. When you're at a low gear level and your healers are you'll find there are going to many instances where you're essentially ping-ponging back and forth between like 20% and 80% HP. This is because the decreased damage is kicking in and saving your ***, even if your healer can't keep up with the "standard" damage. I wouldn't recommend banking on this, but I would say having it as a safety net is almost mandatory.
It has saved my *** a lot. Bad timing on fears in SV, bad timing on time lapse in BM, ive been brought back from the brink of death a lot (and damn that is a stressful time) and it is definitely due to AD.
Every fight that I've done repeatedly, I'm sure Ardent Defender has saved me at least once during. You *might* be able to find more useful things later, where if you get hit at 35% or lower you'll die with or without it, but for now +1 on Ardent Defender.
If that Darkmoon card isn't a proper tanking trinket I'd like to know what is. Good on you for picking it up so early while most people are toying with Figurines and the Enigma. Although, to be fair that "proper tanking trinket" comment may have been made in respect to survivability. Yes, the STA on it is great, but it's really a THREAT generating trinket, there are better options for pure survivability based on their USE effects. Still, that card is the way to go.
If that Darkmoon card isn't a proper tanking trinket I'd like to know what is. Good on you for picking it up so early while most people are toying with Figurines and the Enigma. Although, to be fair that "proper tanking trinket" comment may have been made in respect to survivability. Yes, the STA on it is great, but it's really a THREAT generating trinket, there are better options for pure survivability based on their USE effects. Still, that card is the way to go.
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Yeah, I agree. It's probably the healer's fault. I've healed and tanked heroics at that gear level, and it's perfectly doable, but you can't get away with spamming fol. For most of the fights you have to be spamming your biggest heals, and if your healer doesn't know that, there's not much you can do about it.
CapJack of the Seven Seas wrote:
You know sometimes it's just the healer's fault plain and simple. It's always an awkward conversation but he could just not have the gear to keep you alive or the skill.
I have to pretty much agree in this case. I'm not sure what the spec used to be, since it sounds like it's changed, but with the current gear/spec on that armory, there should be no reason for you to be dying that much in heroics.
A good amount of your gear has blue gems already, so shifting the rest from greens->blues would give like, 10 stam and a few spell damage, it's certainly not enough to make a significant impact on your character.
I would advise getting +12 dodge on the cloak. That is one of the best cloaks around, and you will likely be using it for a very long time and will definitely get your value out of it.
Other than that though, as CapJack said, it could easily be the healer's fault. Hell I'm in T4/T5 level gear and just last week there was a heroic SP I ran where I died on the first pull. The healer never cast a single heal in the 8 seconds it took me to go from full->dead. They just weren't paying attention.
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Other than that though, as CapJack said, it could easily be the healer's fault. Hell I'm in T4/T5 level gear and just last week there was a heroic SP I ran where I died on the first pull. The healer never cast a single heal in the 8 seconds it took me to go from full->dead. They just weren't paying attention.
Agreed here, I'm a healer in T4/T5 gear and I still have to be on the ball when healing through any heroic. No way will a pally healer be able to get away with spamming FoL either unless the tank is uber geared.
I'm of the opinion that heroics are harder than some raids, Kara especially. I always check the tank's gear if I'm pugging and I would say your's look pretty reasonable and shouldn't have a huge amount of problems with most heroics.
Think you should look at your healer.
Again, thanks for the responses. I've respecced to a spec suggested by our main Tankadin in the guild and am beginning to start the entire re-gemming process. (I managed to score about 300g worth of Solid Stars of Elune for only 30g a pop!) I've also begun the arduous process of farming Aldor rep. I'm thankful that I have a main who is actually able to farm, as while prot farming is easy, it's a bit...slow.
As for the whole thing about the problem being the healer, I concede that some part of it may be true, hell, my healer even said so. My healer is nicely geared and quite skillful. However, he usually runs with a tank that boasts T5 stats. I was talking to him, and yes, he admits that he may be a bit spoiled. ^^;
Anyways, once the regemming is complete (Curse you dodge gems, wherefore art thou?) I plan to try my hand once more at the tanking. Hopefully my face comes out intact.
As for the whole thing about the problem being the healer, I concede that some part of it may be true, hell, my healer even said so. My healer is nicely geared and quite skillful. However, he usually runs with a tank that boasts T5 stats. I was talking to him, and yes, he admits that he may be a bit spoiled. ^^;
Anyways, once the regemming is complete (Curse you dodge gems, wherefore art thou?) I plan to try my hand once more at the tanking. Hopefully my face comes out intact.
Poldaran wrote:
DrkMateo wrote:
get rid of that darkmoon card and get a proper tanking trinket.
What are you talking about? That's one of the best tanking trinkets in the game.
get rid of that darkmoon card and get a proper tanking trinket.
What are you talking about? That's one of the best tanking trinkets in the game.
In DrkMateo's defense, although the vengeance card is awesome (I wish I could get the last two dumb cards I need to get it), until someone gets to uncrittable and uncrushable (or pushing regular hits off the table if the monsters can't crush), it's likely better to work on those two things than stamina. The ~600 extra hp can certainly save your life, but so can blocking 300 damage on the next two hits you take, rather than getting hit (or worse, crushed or critted). Of course, which would really be better depends on the situation and how close to uncrittable/uncrushable you are...
Oh, and OP, your new build and gems are looking pretty nice. I hope you are enjoying the difference they make. (I didn't get a chance to see the before view, but the after is looking pretty good.)
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