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Hey there fellow hunters. Just have a quick question, I'm currently using the Crystalforged War Axe with a savagery enchant on it. Finally got around to running Sethekk Halls last night with guild members and finished the quest for Terrok's Quill. My question is the CWA a better choice for a BM spec hunter? Plan on running Shadow Labs this weekend with guildies so I'm sure if Sonic Spear drops soon that will be an upgrade. BTW char is Magha on Uldaman server...sorry not sure how to link armory page. Any other comments on gear/spec is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time!
CWA is nice, Terrok's is better Sonic Spear is best imo. The hit rating on it and a +35 Agility Enchant lasted me a LONG time, like 5 months, until I finally decided to get the Arena S3 Waraxe, which took about 3 weeks.
BM needs AP to be effective but Agility adds AP and Crit and scales better with buffs, so it really is the better enchant.
In short, spend some time in Arena, get the axe, throw an Agility enchant on it and you'll be set until you get the Halberd of Desolation from T6 content (can't remember if it's BT or Hyjal).
BM needs AP to be effective but Agility adds AP and Crit and scales better with buffs, so it really is the better enchant.
In short, spend some time in Arena, get the axe, throw an Agility enchant on it and you'll be set until you get the Halberd of Desolation from T6 content (can't remember if it's BT or Hyjal).
Halberst is from 1st boss in BT, another option that is better then S3 is the 2H sword from Keal, but thats arguable.
And whatever drops i sunwell could be better >.> but thats pretty much it.
And whatever drops i sunwell could be better >.> but thats pretty much it.
Scholar
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So the +35 agi enchant would be a better option than Savage?
For the most part it is because agi contributes to alot more than just attack power and the theory behind it is that your crits will make up for AP you would get if you just did Savagery.
If you can't get an arena team to get the S3 axe, I'd stick with the quill til you can get your hands on the sonic spear.
I'd get rid of that waraxe ASAP. It's a mark of death in pvp no matter what the stats says on it.
CWA < Terrok's Quill < Sonic Spear < Legacy (from kara, but i pray you aren't doing kara with a CWA) < S3 axe.
If you can't get an arena team to get the S3 axe, I'd stick with the quill til you can get your hands on the sonic spear.
I'd get rid of that waraxe ASAP. It's a mark of death in pvp no matter what the stats says on it.
CWA < Terrok's Quill < Sonic Spear < Legacy (from kara, but i pray you aren't doing kara with a CWA) < S3 axe.
In the long run yes, because in raids you get buffs that increase your stats by a percentage (Blessing of Kings) and having a higher Agility pre-buff means you'll have a greater difference when you actually get the buff.
So lets say you have 550 Agility, easily attainable as a BM Hunter with Kara gear. BoKings = 10% to all stats means your 550 just turned to 550+55= 605 therefore 605 AP bonus. Add the Agility enchant and you have a comparison of 550 and 585= 550+55, 605 and 585+58.5(59)= 644. So you go from 605 to 644 a difference of 39 from a 35 Agility Enchant.
yeah you get 35 more AP from Savagery, but 35 AP = what 1 maybe 2 DPS? whereas 35 Agility adds 35 AP, like .8% crit, some dodge and armor. You're just getting more bang for your buck with Agility vs Savagery as a hunter.
So lets say you have 550 Agility, easily attainable as a BM Hunter with Kara gear. BoKings = 10% to all stats means your 550 just turned to 550+55= 605 therefore 605 AP bonus. Add the Agility enchant and you have a comparison of 550 and 585= 550+55, 605 and 585+58.5(59)= 644. So you go from 605 to 644 a difference of 39 from a 35 Agility Enchant.
yeah you get 35 more AP from Savagery, but 35 AP = what 1 maybe 2 DPS? whereas 35 Agility adds 35 AP, like .8% crit, some dodge and armor. You're just getting more bang for your buck with Agility vs Savagery as a hunter.
I had some guild mates help me get Terokk's Quill as soon as I was high enough in level to get it. Never put an enchant on it though, because I was waiting for that elusive Sonic Spear to drop... well, fast forward 4 months later and here I am, still using my un-enchanted Terrok's Quill.
Legacy hasn't dropped for me either, and as a SV hunter, I never even considered the CWA, although I'm sure for BM, a decent argument can be made. Eventually, though, you'll see yourself replacing a lot of that AP with Agi (with some exceptions: S3 Axe, for example), for the same reasons that everyone above have stated.
Personally, I decided 3 weeks ago to get a 3v3 team together and scrounge together enough points for the S3 Axe... at 1000 points, it's really, really a great weapon... and I never really liked PvP. Once I get my hands on that beauty, I'll slap a +35 Agi enchant on it and spit on Murmur's face for not giving up his Sonic Spear to me (although, I'll still run SLabs just so that one day I can say that I got it).
Legacy hasn't dropped for me either, and as a SV hunter, I never even considered the CWA, although I'm sure for BM, a decent argument can be made. Eventually, though, you'll see yourself replacing a lot of that AP with Agi (with some exceptions: S3 Axe, for example), for the same reasons that everyone above have stated.
Personally, I decided 3 weeks ago to get a 3v3 team together and scrounge together enough points for the S3 Axe... at 1000 points, it's really, really a great weapon... and I never really liked PvP. Once I get my hands on that beauty, I'll slap a +35 Agi enchant on it and spit on Murmur's face for not giving up his Sonic Spear to me (although, I'll still run SLabs just so that one day I can say that I got it).
Scholar
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K thanks I'll def slap the agi enchant on the quill and use that...thanks for all the great answers but it kinda led me to another question. For gems should I bother with +ap and +sta gems or just focus on +agi? lol also<last thing on thread I promise> which is the better weapon choice Valanos Longbow or Gyro-Khorium Destroyer?
I'm sure others will chime in with answers to your gem question, although I would say go agi... but that's found in Aethien's Pre-Raid list (see my sig).
As for your question about ranged weapons... you'll come across tough decisions as you continue to progress, so instead of waiting for a response from someone here, I highly suggest you download and learn to use Cheeky's Spreadsheet (also in my sig). It's useful for not only weapons, but enchants, gems, shot rotations, etc. as well. Using this, you can compare different scenarios to see which combinations get you top DPS.
EDIT: I need to correct myself... as BM, you should gem for AP until you hit a certain tooltip DPS (as indicated in Aethien's list), and then Agi. I didn't make that clear at all in my post. Sorry for that...
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 3:46pm by Rycerz
As for your question about ranged weapons... you'll come across tough decisions as you continue to progress, so instead of waiting for a response from someone here, I highly suggest you download and learn to use Cheeky's Spreadsheet (also in my sig). It's useful for not only weapons, but enchants, gems, shot rotations, etc. as well. Using this, you can compare different scenarios to see which combinations get you top DPS.
EDIT: I need to correct myself... as BM, you should gem for AP until you hit a certain tooltip DPS (as indicated in Aethien's list), and then Agi. I didn't make that clear at all in my post. Sorry for that...
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 3:46pm by Rycerz
I´d definitely go for savagery. The Quill is a nice enough weapon, but if you start raiding and do arena, you will probably find something better pretty soon. Savagery is better until you start doing 25-mans on a regular basis, and quite a lot cheaper too.
I'd say this goes for your other enchants/gems as well, ap before agi.
I'd say this goes for your other enchants/gems as well, ap before agi.
Here is the basic rule, for BM Hunters anyway, stack up on AP and Crit until you get to about 300 tooltip Autoshot DPS and 20%+ Crit chance. Once you hit that mark, start switching your enchants/ gems to Agility, but remember to keep your crit rating 20%+ otherwise your 5 points in Mortal Shots become less and less useful.
It's weird to think about, but once Hunters get fully Kara geared/ T4 geared in general, their stats look almost identical as far as Agility is concerned normally, the only difference is in the build which means the shot rotaion. Any other differences in stats will all be because of slightly different gem/ enchant choices and the inherent build bonuses.
It's weird to think about, but once Hunters get fully Kara geared/ T4 geared in general, their stats look almost identical as far as Agility is concerned normally, the only difference is in the build which means the shot rotaion. Any other differences in stats will all be because of slightly different gem/ enchant choices and the inherent build bonuses.
Gem/enchant choices for BM:
Up to and including kara gear: ap.
Kara and beyond, mostly 10-man, ap.
Kara and beyond, mostly 25-man, agi.
Yes, agi scales better with raid buffs, but you will need very good gear and a lot of buffs for it to start to make a difference, hence ap for everything except 25-mans.
Up to and including kara gear: ap.
Kara and beyond, mostly 10-man, ap.
Kara and beyond, mostly 25-man, agi.
Yes, agi scales better with raid buffs, but you will need very good gear and a lot of buffs for it to start to make a difference, hence ap for everything except 25-mans.
not really, agility gies crit too, wich is important in your dps too.
And Kings isnt such a rare thing to come across either ;)
And Kings isnt such a rare thing to come across either ;)
I dunno, I tried to do my homework on this a while ago, and according to some solid-looking calculations (not by me mind you), it seemed that the old switch-to-agi-at-300-dps rule was inaccurate. Or at least oversimplified.
Apparently I didn't do my homework well enough to repeat it in detail, and I can't seem to find the thread either, but if you see this Utarius, help me out buddy!
Anyway, the point was that according to Cheekys spreadsheet, switching ap gems for agi ones was a very disappointing experience unless you had VERY good gear and buffs.
Apparently I didn't do my homework well enough to repeat it in detail, and I can't seem to find the thread either, but if you see this Utarius, help me out buddy!
Anyway, the point was that according to Cheekys spreadsheet, switching ap gems for agi ones was a very disappointing experience unless you had VERY good gear and buffs.
I'm not sure who said it in a thread I read a little while ago, but it really struck home to me. Since we spec into mortal shots, which is a 30% increase in crit damage, that means that every 1% of crit is really a 1.3% increase in damage, so someone with a crit% of 30% is really getting an increase of 39% to their overall DPS.
Agility takes advantage of this, AP does not. Obviously don't drop your AP below a reasonable number (1650 or so?) but if you're going to spec into something that gives your crits more damage why not exploit it as much as possible and load up on all the Agility and Crit rating yu can get without gimping yourself?
Agility takes advantage of this, AP does not. Obviously don't drop your AP below a reasonable number (1650 or so?) but if you're going to spec into something that gives your crits more damage why not exploit it as much as possible and load up on all the Agility and Crit rating yu can get without gimping yourself?
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