Plate or Hex?Follow

ME and another guildie shaman were bickering over this question earlier. I say Shaman would have more usefulness with a hex type spell, they said that plate armor is all a shaman needs. Discuss.

My vote is for the Hex. Mobility/control is much more needed for shamans at the moment than more melee mitigation.

I was thinking if shamans had access to plate, they might be able to use some of those enhancement specs like shield specialization and toughness, along with some other new talents which increased threat generation and become viable tanks. It seems like a lot of those specs in enhancement are there as filler and are not very useful.

Shaman are hands down the worst pvp class right now, give us cc. make us a little viable for pvp.

Hex. 1 second cast, 1 minute cooldown, talented down to 30 second cooldown. Turns the target into a frog for 3 seconds, talented up to 6.

Don't make it a % of base mana for cast cost. Make it reasonably cheap, kinda like poly is, hell maybe even cheaper than poly since poly lasts longer and has 0 cooldown.

I know hex is suppose to turn target into a frog, but i thought it be funny if they became a totem.

then the thought crossed my mind of turning someone into a totem and since they have 1 hp they would get hit once and die, i know its a joke, but i thought be funny...

But ya Hex be pretty sweet, I would still also like to see a tremmor totem that gives everyone in group fear ward for 10 seconds that is refreshed every 5 or 10 seconds, be a much better version of spell I think.

I still want to see a earth Quake ability, even if it is just another warstomp that works better with some dmg tagged on.

Remember going to Shadowfang Keep and getting Haunted by the ghosts? Every so often a low-hp ghost spawns and attacks.

I'd like to see a Totemic Hex. Shamans can cast the hex, then a totem at a target player. Now the totem spawns, and respawns around the target for X seconds. Friendly targets could be hexed with beneficial totems. Enemy targets, you get the idea.

That is a pretty awesome idea, along with Hex this could make us pretty overpowered:D

This is too powerful in PVE, and would get nerfed to hell by 10 sec CC in PVP.

Shamans don't necessarily need CC in PVE. If you're a good enhance/ele shaman and you can't get into heroic groups you have broader issues.

Not to mention Hex fits in with "Blizzard lore".

Ok Gaudion, YOU don't get heroic invites as a DPS shaman.

There's a holy paladin in my guild who is constantly trying to get my woefully undergeared-for-heroics enhance shaman into any heroic he runs. He just makes sure the other 2 DPS slots have appropriate CC.

Besides, a 6 second CC in PVE isn't going to fix the shaman problem in Heroics.

Rogue sap lasts 45 seconds, poly lasts as long as the mage can remember to reapply it, and hunter traps last as long as the hunter's skill allows. How would a 6-second CC, even if it is in combat, going to help get shamans into heroic groups?

Let me say it another way. You do NOT need a tank, healer, and 3 CC classes for any heroic, with the possible exception of Shattered Halls. The only other heroic a shaman might have a hard time breaking into as DPS is Mech and that's simply because most groups insist on using a warlock to make the run smoother. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying that's the way it is.

With a warrior tank, a rogue and mage on CC/DPS duty, and any healer, a shaman can add a lot to a group, especially one without a shaman healer.

There is no reason for groups not to take shamans on heroic runs other than ingrained prejudice and no-CC-aphobia.

If you disagree then just get over it, because those are the facts.

Quoted for emphasizes.
Rogues, hunters, mages, (and warlocks which weren't mentioned, with seduce, banish and to some extent fear) are all DPS classes, meaning they can only DPS, compared to paladins, shamans and druids which can do at least 2 jobs but all lacking PvE CC(druids can root and hibernate, but both are very situational) what the second category classes bring is buffing to the entire party the first category can't compete with, what the former bring is CC. DPS is usually compareable.

Priests and warriors are on their own category (from this point of view anyway) and not relevant to the discussion now.

You can argue that instances should be less CC dependable, but the fact is that no second category class, AKA hybrids, get a decent PvE CC(as much as it frustrates my balance druid).

PvP is a whole new story which I won't address.

Have a nice day.

hex would make it really hard to ever log off of my shaman again =P
I
d love to turn people into a frog, or like the special stuff (mages get pigs n turtles too) that drop from a raid to turn the person into a chicken/squirrel/rat =P


Although i admit that it would be hard to balance properly but thats what PTR is for right? ;)