ok, so i have a 48 priest (holy) and i am planning on hitting lvl 70 soon and doing some raids. the problem that i keep hearing that priests are, well, lacking as the main healers in these raid groups... isn't that our (holy priests) main purpose in the game? So why should i take the time to finish making this holy proest and not just start a shaman or pally or respec to shadow? i guess the basic question is this: what is it about the holy priest in these raids that makes us indispensible like other groups are? i realize this is probably a noob question, but help me out here. thank you all.
Edited, Feb 12th 2008 2:11am by AMill
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I find a lot of people are just whiners and this carries on to misconceptions about classes. Priests are excellent healers, as well as excellent dps/utility to a raid.
I guess the "problem" with holy priest is they are not indispensible, raids can get by without them. That can be said for most classes though, each level of raiding and/or encounter requires or is easier with certain healer set ups. The good thing about priests is they can be top notch raid healers and single target healers, which no other class can say. Also they have the biggest array of healers in their ******** which if used well can't be matched by other classes.
I feel that people that are bad at this game are the ones giving priests a bad name. Priests have little to no armor and probably the lowest hp in the raids most the time. This means that players with bad situational awareness will be terrible priests, because they will die too much. If you are like that play a pally, at least you'll have the oh **** button. There are just too many encounters now where the raid takes damage, but most of the damage is avoidable as long as you are intelligent. For the fights where the damage is unavoidable you can stack on a little more stam.
Bascially priests have a big place in raids whether it be holy or shadow. Don't feel like a nub for asking questions, that's what the forums are for.
I guess the "problem" with holy priest is they are not indispensible, raids can get by without them. That can be said for most classes though, each level of raiding and/or encounter requires or is easier with certain healer set ups. The good thing about priests is they can be top notch raid healers and single target healers, which no other class can say. Also they have the biggest array of healers in their ******** which if used well can't be matched by other classes.
I feel that people that are bad at this game are the ones giving priests a bad name. Priests have little to no armor and probably the lowest hp in the raids most the time. This means that players with bad situational awareness will be terrible priests, because they will die too much. If you are like that play a pally, at least you'll have the oh **** button. There are just too many encounters now where the raid takes damage, but most of the damage is avoidable as long as you are intelligent. For the fights where the damage is unavoidable you can stack on a little more stam.
Bascially priests have a big place in raids whether it be holy or shadow. Don't feel like a nub for asking questions, that's what the forums are for.
I totally agree with jcbronco and I would like to add that Raidgroups aren't really picky about which class should be healing in their raid. When you hit 70 and ask if you can heal, people will not respond with something like: "Sorry, we are looking for a holy pally". (Good)healers are not easy to find so you will probably find a healing spot soon enough. Sometimes people even prefer the holy priest over other healers.
To say that holy priests are not capable in endgame is a huge misconception. My guild has cleared Hyjal and is just working on Illidan at the moment, and I can tell you from experience that some of the most effective healing in the top tier of raiding content is done by holy priests. Circle of healing in particular being a godsend on certain fights when combined with effective shaman chain healing. Our holy priests know their stuff and play well, meaning they won't be left out of raids.
While there is a case for saying that they don't stack well, they are effective if played correctly.
While there is a case for saying that they don't stack well, they are effective if played correctly.
AMill wrote:
what is it about the holy priest in these raids that makes us indispensible like other groups are?
Multiphase fights. All other healers are pidgeonholed into one type of healing: Pally spamming direct heals on the main tank, Druid keeping rolling lifeblooms on several tanks, Shaman spamming Chain Heal on the melee group and refreshing Earthshield on the main tank. A Preist can switch from direct heals to Circle of Healing when a boss fight switches gears from tank-and-spank to AOE, then parcel out raid healing when the adds spawn, all the while keeping Renew and Prayer of Mending on the tank and his melee group.
AMill wrote:
thank you all.
The best thanks you could give us is to take the time to capitalize properly in future posts.
I think druids made more efficient healers than priests. I have never seen a healing druid run out of mana, while paladins and priests tends to burn a lot of potions to keep up with the damage.
However, I do think healing is relative, so it does not matter how it is done as long as it is effective.
Speaking of healer ******** does anyone have a mod that heals with specific ranks or spells, based on damage? My shadow priest has been asked to heal way more often in Outland than it should, and I need something that scales with damage so my mana is conserved.
However, I do think healing is relative, so it does not matter how it is done as long as it is effective.
Speaking of healer ******** does anyone have a mod that heals with specific ranks or spells, based on damage? My shadow priest has been asked to heal way more often in Outland than it should, and I need something that scales with damage so my mana is conserved.
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Speaking of healer ******** does anyone have a mod that heals with specific ranks or spells, based on damage? My shadow priest has been asked to heal way more often in Outland than it should, and I need something that scales with damage so my mana is conserved.
Hm i've never heard of a mod like that, don't think i'd like it anyway. Just got with 2 or 3 ranks of greater heal. I use rank 2 and rank 7, when a target needs constant heals i just keep hitting him with rank 2 until 7 is needed, along with all the other spells.
Once a priest gets a good amount of mp5 they are very good at conserving mana also, and being smart about mana regain abilities. Like using shadowfiend at the right time on a fight, usually at about 75% mana. Fights like bloodboil I wait until past 50%, for some reason he gives back a ton of mana. With having the trinket off lurker i can find another point between 50% and 75% mana when the healing slows down. I can pop the trinket along with inner focus to get me out of the 5 sec rule and i will gain a lot of mana back again.
sederix wrote:
Speaking of healer ******** does anyone have a mod that heals with specific ranks or spells, based on damage? My shadow priest has been asked to heal way more often in Outland than it should, and I need something that scales with damage so my mana is conserved.
Healbot is one that comes fairly close to what you're looking for. It will autorecommend spells that you can cast by clicking different buttons (or button/key combinations) while hovering over a party member's bar.
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I'm a holy priest and I'm one that's unusual I can heal well. That is the shortage, on my server at least, good healers, doesn't matter if they are shaman, priest, druid or palading. The main problem groups or raids I go out with have with me is my ability to get one shotted, Holy priests are probably the most vulnerable class in the game to a bad pull or poor tank, the rest have their own problems, but they get leather, mail and even plate, mages even can stop casting for a few seconds. But woe is a healer that stops casting cos likely that's the end of the group.
Mind u I'm starting to get very skilled with that fade button, but it doesn't do enough... the aggro dump that say a hunter has would be nice :)
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 7:08pm by Tyranise
Mind u I'm starting to get very skilled with that fade button, but it doesn't do enough... the aggro dump that say a hunter has would be nice :)
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 7:08pm by Tyranise
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I'm a holy priest and I'm one that's unusual I can heal well. That is the shortage, on my server at least...
I'm sorry, I couldn't read that through my bleeding eyes.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 11:47pm by IDrownFish
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I'm sorry, I couldn't read that through my bleeding eyes.
I'm a holy priest and I'm one that's unusual, I can heal well. Good healers are in shortage, on my server at least. Doesn't matter if they are shaman, priest, druid or paladin.
It's late so It might not be 100%
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