Alright, so I'm new to warriors. I used to have a 70 Warlock on Stormscale, but I deleted him and I can't remember why, I'm regretting it a lot now. I quit WoW about a year ago, but now I'm back for a fresh start. I'm aiming for a more of a PvP build for BGs and Arenas and maybe some PvE (as needed).
I came up with this build:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?050250213525100200212510500000000000000000000350310000000000000000
I like the graphics on the Arena Glad. Axe which is why I specced for it.
I've never gotten a warrior past 45 so I don't really know how good Mortal Strike or Imp. Mortal Strike is. Any advice on that would be very much appreciated.
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What the Hell, Ill give it a shot. That "I used to be 70 something, but lost it" to give yourself some credibility approach is a bit played, but your build does raise some interesting questions. That aside:
I am a 70 warr with a Prot spec at the moment, but I play in BG's a lot for the fun of it when my guildmates are offline. And have done so with a variety of builds. As such, 1st of all, for warriors, there really isnt such a thing as having some PvE viability with a PvP build. Chose one and go for it unless you plan to respec daily.
I find in PvP that having enough rage is not a main concern and so would agree with other warriors by saying that Endless Rage is a waste of points. As such, the points spent into improved mortal strike are also wasted. When MS is available, lay it on and move on; your fellow players will either take advantage of it or not.
Axe Spec, though nice in thoery, was nerfed out of existence when resilience came into play. Go sword or mace. Anger management can go too, it saves rage, it doesn't produce it; better to spend elsewhere. My last arms comment may conflict with other warriors, but I would say drop 3 Deflection points and put those points into Improved Heroic Strike. Unless you find yourself face to face with another warrior (unlikely), parry just doesn't come into play enough to puts points into.
In the protection tree, I say drop all points except Tactical Mastery. Last Stand is great and I use it all the time, but not worth the points to get there. With those points saved, you can have fun in the Fury tree. Get Piercing Howl for sure. Personally I think Improved Execute is worth it. Even with a Prot spec, I wind up high on the Kill count in Bg's because of execute. It is a life-taker and it is really frustrating to know it could be available if I just had enough rage to get it off. I also suggest Unbridled Wrath for rage generation. Though rage generation is not a main concern, it still is a concern. If you are still alive after all the stuns, roots, fears, etc., it would be nice to be able to have the rage available to actually use your skills. Is it better than Improved Demoralizing shout? Debatable. I could be convinced otherwise.
My 2 cents
I am a 70 warr with a Prot spec at the moment, but I play in BG's a lot for the fun of it when my guildmates are offline. And have done so with a variety of builds. As such, 1st of all, for warriors, there really isnt such a thing as having some PvE viability with a PvP build. Chose one and go for it unless you plan to respec daily.
I find in PvP that having enough rage is not a main concern and so would agree with other warriors by saying that Endless Rage is a waste of points. As such, the points spent into improved mortal strike are also wasted. When MS is available, lay it on and move on; your fellow players will either take advantage of it or not.
Axe Spec, though nice in thoery, was nerfed out of existence when resilience came into play. Go sword or mace. Anger management can go too, it saves rage, it doesn't produce it; better to spend elsewhere. My last arms comment may conflict with other warriors, but I would say drop 3 Deflection points and put those points into Improved Heroic Strike. Unless you find yourself face to face with another warrior (unlikely), parry just doesn't come into play enough to puts points into.
In the protection tree, I say drop all points except Tactical Mastery. Last Stand is great and I use it all the time, but not worth the points to get there. With those points saved, you can have fun in the Fury tree. Get Piercing Howl for sure. Personally I think Improved Execute is worth it. Even with a Prot spec, I wind up high on the Kill count in Bg's because of execute. It is a life-taker and it is really frustrating to know it could be available if I just had enough rage to get it off. I also suggest Unbridled Wrath for rage generation. Though rage generation is not a main concern, it still is a concern. If you are still alive after all the stuns, roots, fears, etc., it would be nice to be able to have the rage available to actually use your skills. Is it better than Improved Demoralizing shout? Debatable. I could be convinced otherwise.
My 2 cents
Unbridled Wrath is pretty much useless aslong as you wield a 2h. It doesn't proc often enough for a 2h to be as valuable as it is with a Dualwield build. Bloodfrenzy is better for PvE than PvP. Imp. Charge is not worth 2 points when PvP'ing. You will probably be in combat most of the time. And as doodlewarrior commented, lose the points in prot and respend them in the fury tree, even though Last Stand is great. And Endless rage and Imp. MS isn't that great.
For doodlewarrior. Deflection is very valuable indeed. You will need it against all meele classes (rogue, palla, warrior, druid(feral), Shamans(enhancement), hunters when in meele range and meele pets.
Other than that, you should look in the stickies for builds...
For doodlewarrior. Deflection is very valuable indeed. You will need it against all meele classes (rogue, palla, warrior, druid(feral), Shamans(enhancement), hunters when in meele range and meele pets.
Other than that, you should look in the stickies for builds...
This is my old Arms build.
It's good in PvP and very useful in PvE. You can switch the weapon specs as you see fit but I was using a 2h Axe at that time. Imp. Charge is very viable in PvE and Imp. TClap helps when you're needed to tank in pre lvl 68 instances. I've tanked using this spec and with the right combination of gear, you shouldn't get hit too hard, it's just that the dps will have to wait for your sunders. With Imp. Charge and the mob hitting you, you should be able to sneak in 3 sunders right off the bat.
You're going to have to learn to stance dance when tanking with the spec I mentioned. Battle Stance for charge and then switch to Defensive once you have at least 2 - 3 sunders. With Tactical Mastery, your MS will cause a lot more threat and also the 15 rage that you retain is priceless.
Other people will have better advice but this is the spec I've been using for a long time and it works for me. One more thing about being a warrior is that you need to have very deep pockets. Upgrade your gear often but most important, upgrade your weapon. Enchants will help out a lot. Look out for +damage if you want to wield a 2-hander or firey if you plan to go duel wield fury. At lvl 50 or so, invest in Crusader and then Savagery when you hit the Outlands.
Hope this helps.
Edited: Linked the wrong build >_>
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 2:45am by Mylandre
It's good in PvP and very useful in PvE. You can switch the weapon specs as you see fit but I was using a 2h Axe at that time. Imp. Charge is very viable in PvE and Imp. TClap helps when you're needed to tank in pre lvl 68 instances. I've tanked using this spec and with the right combination of gear, you shouldn't get hit too hard, it's just that the dps will have to wait for your sunders. With Imp. Charge and the mob hitting you, you should be able to sneak in 3 sunders right off the bat.
You're going to have to learn to stance dance when tanking with the spec I mentioned. Battle Stance for charge and then switch to Defensive once you have at least 2 - 3 sunders. With Tactical Mastery, your MS will cause a lot more threat and also the 15 rage that you retain is priceless.
Other people will have better advice but this is the spec I've been using for a long time and it works for me. One more thing about being a warrior is that you need to have very deep pockets. Upgrade your gear often but most important, upgrade your weapon. Enchants will help out a lot. Look out for +damage if you want to wield a 2-hander or firey if you plan to go duel wield fury. At lvl 50 or so, invest in Crusader and then Savagery when you hit the Outlands.
Hope this helps.
Edited: Linked the wrong build >_>
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 2:45am by Mylandre
If you want to do any pvping at 70, don't go axe spec. Resilience totally killed it. It took what axe spec is based off of, and utterly destroyed it with the nerf bat. This is the build I used up to and at 70 when I pvpd. It worked well for tanking instances, but you need to be more aware of whats going on.
Going mace spec also works well, but I haven't tried it since the nerf to it, so I'm not sure how effective it is.
My advice is to get a decent axe
or rawr , and go axe spec untill about 64/65, then getting This bad boy or This guy and then going sword spec. I recommend the first one since it has better stats.
On your build. IMO endless rage is useless. It doesn't work correctly and is a waste of points. Thats also how I feel about imp mortal strike, those points are easily put to use elsewhere. The points in anticipation are effectivly useless unless you get together a tanking set.
On sesseth's point about Imp. Charge, hes right in the fact that your going to be in combat most of the time. But when you can charge, charge + white hit often will get you enough rage for ms, doing a large amount of damage fairly quickly. But Imp. Charge is most usefull in solo play/questing since you can almost always Charge into the mob.
As I stated, tanking is going to be more difficult. My rotation was pull )ranged or charge) bloodrage, sunder armor >> Thunderclap >> sunder armor >> cleave >> thunderclap. Lather rinse repeat. This is a macro I use to get the job done when chargeing in.
/cast [stance:1, nocombat, nomodifier:shift] Charge; [nostance:1, nocombat, nomodifier:shift] Battle Stance; Defensive Stance
/stopcasting
/cast [modifier:shift] Bloodrage
Basically, you hit this macro, you charge in and switch to defensive stance, losing no rage. If you hold shift while charging, you pop bloodrage as well.
(macro based off RPZip's Warrior FAQ which I recommend reading.)
::EDIT::
cleaned up the links
added tanking macro
I found that you can edit when you edited it. I couldn't resist :)
I also found you can use color! color doesnt work :(
Edited, Feb 13th 1337 13:37pm by Editlol
Edited, Feb 12th 2008 10:35pm by Scynadumos
Going mace spec also works well, but I haven't tried it since the nerf to it, so I'm not sure how effective it is.
My advice is to get a decent axe
or rawr , and go axe spec untill about 64/65, then getting This bad boy or This guy and then going sword spec. I recommend the first one since it has better stats.
On your build. IMO endless rage is useless. It doesn't work correctly and is a waste of points. Thats also how I feel about imp mortal strike, those points are easily put to use elsewhere. The points in anticipation are effectivly useless unless you get together a tanking set.
On sesseth's point about Imp. Charge, hes right in the fact that your going to be in combat most of the time. But when you can charge, charge + white hit often will get you enough rage for ms, doing a large amount of damage fairly quickly. But Imp. Charge is most usefull in solo play/questing since you can almost always Charge into the mob.
As I stated, tanking is going to be more difficult. My rotation was pull )ranged or charge) bloodrage, sunder armor >> Thunderclap >> sunder armor >> cleave >> thunderclap. Lather rinse repeat. This is a macro I use to get the job done when chargeing in.
/cast [stance:1, nocombat, nomodifier:shift] Charge; [nostance:1, nocombat, nomodifier:shift] Battle Stance; Defensive Stance
/stopcasting
/cast [modifier:shift] Bloodrage
Basically, you hit this macro, you charge in and switch to defensive stance, losing no rage. If you hold shift while charging, you pop bloodrage as well.
(macro based off RPZip's Warrior FAQ which I recommend reading.)
::EDIT::
cleaned up the links
added tanking macro
I found that you can edit when you edited it. I couldn't resist :)
I also found you can use color! color doesnt work :(
Edited, Feb 13th 1337 13:37pm by Editlol
Edited, Feb 12th 2008 10:35pm by Scynadumos
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So from the comments that I've gotten my build should look something similar to this
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?050050203520105200012000550010402501000000000300000000000000000000
if I'm not mistaken. The only part that I'm lost on is whether to take Booming Voice, Imp. Demo. Shout or Unbridled Wrath and where should I spend my last two pts? I'm thinking about putting it in Imp. Slam for any PvE that might be needed, but 2 pts. in Blood Frenzy offers a +4% dmg increase to the target from ALL melee attacks which seems quite handy if you've got alot of melee classes in the bg/arena.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?050050203520105200012000550010402501000000000300000000000000000000
if I'm not mistaken. The only part that I'm lost on is whether to take Booming Voice, Imp. Demo. Shout or Unbridled Wrath and where should I spend my last two pts? I'm thinking about putting it in Imp. Slam for any PvE that might be needed, but 2 pts. in Blood Frenzy offers a +4% dmg increase to the target from ALL melee attacks which seems quite handy if you've got alot of melee classes in the bg/arena.
I would dump the last 2 points into either Expertise, Blood Frenzy or Imp. Slam.
I see you took Iron Will so I'll be assuming that you're more interested in PvP so I would recommend Expertise. Reduced disarm duration is extremely useful. I still prefer when warriors we're immune to disarm though =/
I agree. But if you have high enough crit and attack power, you will be able to "somewhat" offset the resilience...but your crit will do measly damage. Anyways, if you go up against a decked out warrior or any other class, you will still hit for low damage, no matter what weapon spec you go.
But generally, Maces have the highest top end damage followed by axes and then swords. Choose your favourite weapon type and stick to it. It'll save you a lot of respec gold.
I see you took Iron Will so I'll be assuming that you're more interested in PvP so I would recommend Expertise. Reduced disarm duration is extremely useful. I still prefer when warriors we're immune to disarm though =/
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Resilience totally killed it. It took what axe spec is based off of, and utterly destroyed it with the nerf bat.
I agree. But if you have high enough crit and attack power, you will be able to "somewhat" offset the resilience...but your crit will do measly damage. Anyways, if you go up against a decked out warrior or any other class, you will still hit for low damage, no matter what weapon spec you go.
But generally, Maces have the highest top end damage followed by axes and then swords. Choose your favourite weapon type and stick to it. It'll save you a lot of respec gold.
or wait till 2.4 patch where respec will be free. Or is this yet uncertain? an confirmation on that?
And also, Mace spec is very valuable because of the stun proc, sword is great for the extra dmg proc and axes are great for extra buff in crit%.
And also, Mace spec is very valuable because of the stun proc, sword is great for the extra dmg proc and axes are great for extra buff in crit%.
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