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Scholar
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Just curious if anyone uses the n52 with vista 64 bit
Yep....works like a champ.
Scholar
49 posts
I just got this comp yesterday and the n52 ive read that many people have problems with it .. did you have to do anything special? I loaded the disk that came with it and in the device manager it appears to be there, Do i need to download beta drivers ?
Nope, you don't have to do anything special, but I would download the latest driver off the Belkin website. Don't use the driver that came on the CD, it's probably 2 years old.
Theo, your comment on Vista is way off base. Sure, Vista has problems, no one will argue that. But so does XP and OSX. I'm running Vista on three different hardware platforms, and have had zero problems with Wow. In WoW, using DirectX 10 has huge advantages over Directx9. And seeing that you can't run directX 10 under XP, there's really no option if you want to take advantage of the huge graphical improvements that dx10 offers over dx9. Yeah, Vista takes more resources, but if you are running decent hardware there is a huge advantage in running directX 10 on games (like WoW) that are written to take advantage of the dx10 code.
And no one says you have to run Aero with Vista, which seems to be the biggest resource hog.
The difference between DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 is the difference between running 1X oversampling and 8X oversampling at the same frame rate. Yep, that big of a difference. Admittedly, my tests were run on state of the art equipment. The difference might be less favorable on older hardware.
Edited, Feb 11th 2008 11:53pm by Vvillain
Theo, your comment on Vista is way off base. Sure, Vista has problems, no one will argue that. But so does XP and OSX. I'm running Vista on three different hardware platforms, and have had zero problems with Wow. In WoW, using DirectX 10 has huge advantages over Directx9. And seeing that you can't run directX 10 under XP, there's really no option if you want to take advantage of the huge graphical improvements that dx10 offers over dx9. Yeah, Vista takes more resources, but if you are running decent hardware there is a huge advantage in running directX 10 on games (like WoW) that are written to take advantage of the dx10 code.
And no one says you have to run Aero with Vista, which seems to be the biggest resource hog.
The difference between DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 is the difference between running 1X oversampling and 8X oversampling at the same frame rate. Yep, that big of a difference. Admittedly, my tests were run on state of the art equipment. The difference might be less favorable on older hardware.
Edited, Feb 11th 2008 11:53pm by Vvillain
Oh, and the latest 64 bit Vista N52 driver is not beta. It can be downloaded here:
http://www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=F8GFPC100&aid=5234&scid=231
http://www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=F8GFPC100&aid=5234&scid=231
Lol, you are first person I have seen not from M$ to say that DX10 is worth something right now.
DX10 is pretty much worthless right now because there is really no point in using it over DX9 for very minute improvements to GFX. Go load up Crysis, which was one of the games highlighted by DX10, the difference isn't really that noticeable at all. Plus your computer dies on high with DX10, even if you are SLI-ing 8800s.
DX10 is pretty much worthless right now because there is really no point in using it over DX9 for very minute improvements to GFX. Go load up Crysis, which was one of the games highlighted by DX10, the difference isn't really that noticeable at all. Plus your computer dies on high with DX10, even if you are SLI-ing 8800s.
So you think 8X oversampling versus 1X (at the same frame rate) is "worthless"??
Scholar
49 posts
thanks for the info gonna try that... actually i just tried to DL them but i didnt remove the old drivers from the disk that came with it should i do that first, because i got a blue screeen trying to dl them w/o removing old drivers?
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So you think 8X oversampling versus 1X (at the same frame rate) is "worthless"??
Yes, considering the noticeable graphical improvement is negligible at best right now (based on Crysis). The FPS trade off is somewhere around 30-40 frames running Crysis on high in DX9 vs high on DX10 on a relatively new rig (less than a month old). Would you trade 30-40 frames for slightly better GFX? Better yet, will you notice the difference once things start moving?
I am not saying there isn't potential in DX10, I am saying DX10 right now is not worth it. It isn't so much the hardware can't handle it, there aren't any games thats worth running DX10 over DX9 when everything else is equal and certainly not worth installing Windows Vista. Quite honestly the only thing you don't get is the pixel blurring feature, but you barely notice that as well.
Oh and the system I tested this on was SLI-ing 8800s. Theres a reason why theres a bunch of websites telling people how to avoid using DX10 for Crysis and hack DX9 for similar results.
Again I say, "lolvista". It's a piece of **** OS if you have half a brain in your skull and aren't sucking on Bill Gates' ****.
XP is acceptable, but still has so many problems it's revolting.
XP is acceptable, but still has so many problems it's revolting.
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Again I say, "lolvista". It's a piece of sh*t OS if you have half a brain in your skull and aren't sucking on Bill Gates' ****.
Wow, what are you like 6 years old?
Vvillain wrote:
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Again I say, "lolvista". It's a piece of sh*t OS if you have half a brain in your skull and aren't sucking on Bill Gates' ****.
Wow, what are you like 6 years old?
Nope. Element pretty much summed up why you're a moron. I don't really need to elucidate.
I have news for you: even people that work for MS don't use Vista. It's that bad.
I'm on Vista and haven't noticed anything bad other than the annoying way that standard user accounts can't delete or install files. Since I automatically assumed "standard user" meant "my retarded younger sister", that was a huge problem - for my retarded younger sister.
Definitely no problems WoW-related. In fact, it feels exactly like XP did when I first got it. So I'm leaning towards the "no noticeable difference" camp.
Definitely no problems WoW-related. In fact, it feels exactly like XP did when I first got it. So I'm leaning towards the "no noticeable difference" camp.
Scholar
49 posts
Ok well still at it i downloaded the profile a profile and cant figure out how to change the buttons to what i want them.
For example on the profile i downloaded he has the orange button as stealth which is what i want it to be but in game when i push it it dont work.
i also cant figure out how to make the 4 button cs when im stealthed and spam hemo with the macro while unstealthed . I know this probably pretty basic for you guys but what am i missing i need to get this working before me and the people that live with me go mad
any help is appriciated.. my wife who i know could figure this out simply wont help me!!!
For example on the profile i downloaded he has the orange button as stealth which is what i want it to be but in game when i push it it dont work.
i also cant figure out how to make the 4 button cs when im stealthed and spam hemo with the macro while unstealthed . I know this probably pretty basic for you guys but what am i missing i need to get this working before me and the people that live with me go mad
any help is appriciated.. my wife who i know could figure this out simply wont help me!!!
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Nope. Element pretty much summed up why you're a moron. I don't really need to elucidate.
I have news for you: even people that work for MS don't use Vista. It's that bad.
I have news for you: even people that work for MS don't use Vista. It's that bad.
Wow, you really are a complete idiot, and to make matters worse you're arrogant.
So tell me "Mr know it all". Aside from the fact that your probably some fat, pimply assed 24 year old punk with no life, and who lives in his parents basement....... what exactly are your professional computer credentials?
I didn't think so.
Why don't you do us all a favor and crawl out of your hole, get some sunshine, and get laid. Then maybe you won't have to pretend to be such a bad *** on this forum.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 12:08am by Vvillain
Theophany the Sly wrote:
Again I say, "lolvista". It's a piece of sh*t OS if you have half a brain in your skull and aren't sucking on Bill Gates' ****.
XP is acceptable, but still has so many problems it's revolting.
XP is acceptable, but still has so many problems it's revolting.
Thank god there is someone here with more than half a brain. Vista is the crappiest OS I've experienced so far.
I've used Vista since it shipped. It's fine if you are running newer hardware with drivers that are specifically written for Vista.
If you are running older hardware you have a good chance of running into problems, but it's been this way with every major OS upgrade released from Microsoft since before Windows 2.0. The major releases from Apple have not been much better.
Villain, you are dead on. I saw a big performance increase in WoW when I upgraded to direct x 10. But this is not the case with every game.
The performance increase gained by dx10 far outweighs the slight performance hit you take to run Vista.
Oh, and Theophany, you're an idiot.
If you are running older hardware you have a good chance of running into problems, but it's been this way with every major OS upgrade released from Microsoft since before Windows 2.0. The major releases from Apple have not been much better.
Villain, you are dead on. I saw a big performance increase in WoW when I upgraded to direct x 10. But this is not the case with every game.
The performance increase gained by dx10 far outweighs the slight performance hit you take to run Vista.
Oh, and Theophany, you're an idiot.
Eliff wrote:
I've used Vista since it shipped. It's fine if you are running newer hardware with drivers that are specifically written for Vista.
If you are running older hardware you have a good chance of running into problems, but it's been this way with every major OS upgrade released from Microsoft since before Windows 2.0. The major releases from Apple have not been much better.
Villain, you are dead on. I saw a big performance increase in WoW when I upgraded to direct x 10. But this is not the case with every game.
The performance increase gained by dx10 far outweighs the slight performance hit you take to run Vista.
Oh, and Theophany, you're an idiot.
If you are running older hardware you have a good chance of running into problems, but it's been this way with every major OS upgrade released from Microsoft since before Windows 2.0. The major releases from Apple have not been much better.
Villain, you are dead on. I saw a big performance increase in WoW when I upgraded to direct x 10. But this is not the case with every game.
The performance increase gained by dx10 far outweighs the slight performance hit you take to run Vista.
Oh, and Theophany, you're an idiot.
No, you are an idiot.
Vista is (I will add to the others) probably the worst OS ever made, as of now.
Only God knows if it will EVER be a DECENT OS, but right now Im sticking with XP, thank you very much, I dont want my computer to crash and reboot every 10 seconds because Vista fails with every single program it runs.
1) Upgrade your sh*tty hardware and Vista won't crash.
2) Get a clue about tuning your OS to your hardware.
3) Upgrade your crappy 5 year old XP drivers to new Vista drivers by visiting the website of the hardware manufacture for EACH SUBSYSTEM you have. This includes bios upgrades, motherboard upgrades, video card upgrades, sound card upgrades, you name it. Don't expect Vista to correctly detect and automatically upgrade the driver on every piece of hardware in your machine. It won't. You can't upgrade to vista and run the same XP drivers, and then cry like a little girl when it crashes.
4) Visit the Microsoft site and acquaint yourself with the HCL. If you weren't so busy whining about "how screwed Vista is" you might have time to see just exactly what Vista will support and what it won't. Then again, that would require you to have a brain, and I serious doubt either you or Theophany could handle such a "daunting task".....seeing that you're both whiney little ********
Don't **** and moan about how horrible Vista is when you run it on crappy 3 year old hardware. I've got it running on several machines running multiple games and business apps, and have seen it crash maybe twice in the past year. Why? Because unlike you, I did my homework, and made sure I had good hardware that was listed on the HCL, and that every single driver running on my machine was Vista compatible.
Morons without brains cry about how horrible Vista is. The rest of us run it, and laugh at how pathetic you idiots really are.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 3:15am by Eliff
2) Get a clue about tuning your OS to your hardware.
3) Upgrade your crappy 5 year old XP drivers to new Vista drivers by visiting the website of the hardware manufacture for EACH SUBSYSTEM you have. This includes bios upgrades, motherboard upgrades, video card upgrades, sound card upgrades, you name it. Don't expect Vista to correctly detect and automatically upgrade the driver on every piece of hardware in your machine. It won't. You can't upgrade to vista and run the same XP drivers, and then cry like a little girl when it crashes.
4) Visit the Microsoft site and acquaint yourself with the HCL. If you weren't so busy whining about "how screwed Vista is" you might have time to see just exactly what Vista will support and what it won't. Then again, that would require you to have a brain, and I serious doubt either you or Theophany could handle such a "daunting task".....seeing that you're both whiney little ********
Don't **** and moan about how horrible Vista is when you run it on crappy 3 year old hardware. I've got it running on several machines running multiple games and business apps, and have seen it crash maybe twice in the past year. Why? Because unlike you, I did my homework, and made sure I had good hardware that was listed on the HCL, and that every single driver running on my machine was Vista compatible.
Morons without brains cry about how horrible Vista is. The rest of us run it, and laugh at how pathetic you idiots really are.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 3:15am by Eliff
Vvillain wrote:
So tell me "Mr know it all". Aside from the fact that your probably some fat, pimply assed 24 year old punk with no life, and who lives in his parents basement....... what exactly are your professional computer credentials?
I didn't think so.
Why don't you do us all a favor and crawl out of your hole, get some sunshine, and get laid. Then maybe you won't have to pretend to be such a bad *** on this forum.
I didn't think so.
Why don't you do us all a favor and crawl out of your hole, get some sunshine, and get laid. Then maybe you won't have to pretend to be such a bad *** on this forum.
I work for Apple and am a professional photographer.
In fact, my last project was testing Aperture 2 from alpha to release.
That I have a job where I make over $100k a year and am only 23 says something about how hard I work.
I drive an Audi A6, I have my own apartment, and I have a computer setup that makes most people jealous. (Brand new Mac Pro 8-core 3.0 GHz, 8 GB RAM, 8800 GT, 4x 500 GB HDDs, 23" cinema display, etc.)
Here's a web gallery with two pics: one of my car, one of the setup I'm running, though it was taken last year. Same setup I'm using now, only there's another Apple 23" cinema display on the other side of the Macbook (I use the Macbook when I travel), and there'd be an iPhone in front of the computers instead of that Chocolate.
So yeah, go ahead and shut the hell up now.
When I say Vista is crap, that's coming from a professional that could use Vista, but doesn't. I dual-boot to XP when I need Windows (which I nearly never do).
Edit: Eliff, I've run Vista on the above system. It still sucks. Any ideas? I paid just under $5000 for my computer (not including my display) and Vista is still awful. I'd think that my hardware is "new enough" for your taste, considering it's not even a month old.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 3:31am by Theophany
Vvillain wrote:
So tell me "Mr know it all". Aside from the fact that your probably some fat, pimply assed 24 year old punk with no life, and who lives in his parents basement....... what exactly are your professional computer credentials]
He's actually 23. If I remember correctly.
And don't knock parental basements. Basements are cool places to live in.
Theophany wrote:
I work for Apple and am a professional photographer.
There's your answer right there, O ye confused and insulted people.
I mean, there isn't a bigger way to say "I am biased against Microsoft" then to declare that you work for Apple and are a professional photographer. He actually just stop short of saying "I also always wear a black turtleneck sweater."
Not that MS is awesome, it's pretty sucky even by the standards of most multinational monopolies. No-one's choking on d*ck in the Microsoft foyer at the moment. Unless they're getting paid for it. To entertain visitors.
But sriously, get back on topic. Sriously, guys.
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I work for Apple and am a professional photographer.
In fact, my last project was testing Aperture 2 from alpha to release. icon
That I have a job where I make over $100k a year and am only 23 says something about how hard I work.
I drive an Audi A6, I have my own apartment, and I have a computer setup that makes most people jealous. (Brand new Mac Pro 8-core 3.0 GHz, 8 GB RAM, 8800 GT, 4x 500 GB HDDs, 23" cinema display, etc.)
Here's a web gallery with two pics: one of my car, one of the setup I'm running, though it was taken last year. Same setup I'm using now, only there's another Apple 23" cinema display on the other side of the Macbook (I use the Macbook when I travel), and there'd be an iPhone in front of the computers instead of that Chocolate.
So yeah, go ahead and shut the hell up now. icon
When I say Vista is crap, that's coming from a professional that could use Vista, but doesn't. I dual-boot to XP when I need Windows (which I nearly never do).
Edit: Eliff, I've run Vista on the above system. It still sucks. Any ideas? I paid just under $5000 for my computer (not including my display) and Vista is still awful. I'd think that my hardware is "new enough" for your taste, considering it's not even a month old.
So you work for Apple. BFD. $100K for a salary in Cupertino or wherever you are isn't even considered middle class. Being a photographer/tester for Apple doesn't make you professional at anything. It only explains to me why Aperature is such a big piece of sh*t and is light years behind Adobe's Lightroom.
So you're 23? My 13 year old son is vastly more mature than you.
I agree with villain. Go get laid or something. You've been a serious asshat the entire 2 years I've been lurking on these forums. You'd think that someone your age would figure out that being a complete asshat is not how to get ahead in life.
Stop running Windows on Bootcamp. That's your problem. It's a widely known fact that Apple's Vista drivers suck ***. I know from personal experience. I bought a Macbook pro (with Aperature btw) for my wife's birthday. XP runs fine under bootcamp, but Vista has way too many problems. All driver related. Don't beleive me? Look at the bootcamp support forums at apple.com. Hell, Apple has had 2 years to get the trackpad driver working correctly and they can't even do that. The Bootcamp Nvidea driver has known issues with Wow. We're going on six months (since the last Apple firmaware update for the MBP) and they STILL haven't resolved it.
Go buy a real gaming machine like a Dell XPS or an Alienware, and stop trying to run windows on an Apple.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 12:14pm by Eliff
So am I supposed to buy a new printer, a new digital camera, etc to have them compatible with Vista as well? I mean, if it runs so damn great, why would I have to buy new stuff when the stuff I have are already new?
I guess I just don't get it. Let me know when Vista is backwards compatible with my equipment, then I'll try it out. Until then, I'll be in my own little world believing the 95% of people in all of the techie forums I've been on, and not get a Vista.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Vista is crappy or Vista is the greatest thing ever, as I don't have the experience with Vista, I just don't get the whole not working with everything else.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 12:52pm by xNocturnalSunx
I guess I just don't get it. Let me know when Vista is backwards compatible with my equipment, then I'll try it out. Until then, I'll be in my own little world believing the 95% of people in all of the techie forums I've been on, and not get a Vista.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Vista is crappy or Vista is the greatest thing ever, as I don't have the experience with Vista, I just don't get the whole not working with everything else.
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 12:52pm by xNocturnalSunx
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So you work for Apple. BFD. $100K for a salary in Cupertino or wherever you are isn't even considered middle class. Being a photographer/tester for Apple doesn't make you professional at anything. It only explains to me why Aperature is such a big piece of sh*t and is light years behind Adobe's Lightroom.
So you're 23? My 13 year old son is vastly more mature than you.
I agree with villain. Go get laid or something. You've been a serious asshat the entire 2 years I've been lurking on these forums. You'd think that someone your age would figure out that being a complete asshat is not how to get ahead in life.
Stop running Windows on Bootcamp. That's your problem. It's a widely known fact that Apple's Vista drivers suck ***. I know from personal experience. I bought a Macbook pro (with Aperature btw) for my wife's birthday. XP runs fine under bootcamp, but Vista has way too many problems. All driver related. Don't beleive me? Look at the bootcamp support forums at apple.com. Hell, Apple has had 2 years to get the trackpad driver working correctly and they can't even do that. The Bootcamp Nvidea driver has known issues with Wow. We're going on six months (since the last Apple firmaware update for the MBP) and they STILL haven't resolved it.
Go buy a real gaming machine like a Dell XPS or an Alienware, and stop trying to run windows on an Apple.
So you're 23? My 13 year old son is vastly more mature than you.
I agree with villain. Go get laid or something. You've been a serious asshat the entire 2 years I've been lurking on these forums. You'd think that someone your age would figure out that being a complete asshat is not how to get ahead in life.
Stop running Windows on Bootcamp. That's your problem. It's a widely known fact that Apple's Vista drivers suck ***. I know from personal experience. I bought a Macbook pro (with Aperature btw) for my wife's birthday. XP runs fine under bootcamp, but Vista has way too many problems. All driver related. Don't beleive me? Look at the bootcamp support forums at apple.com. Hell, Apple has had 2 years to get the trackpad driver working correctly and they can't even do that. The Bootcamp Nvidea driver has known issues with Wow. We're going on six months (since the last Apple firmaware update for the MBP) and they STILL haven't resolved it.
Go buy a real gaming machine like a Dell XPS or an Alienware, and stop trying to run windows on an Apple.
Actually, in the most recent tests show that the best machine to run Windows is an Apple. If you want to argue decency of the companies both have their faults, but do get your fact straights and do a little more research beyond "my experience". The fact that you refer to real gaming machines as Dell XPS and Alienware is LOL, stop posting please just stop before you make yourself more of an idiot. (Hint both are overpriced pieces of ****)
I like how people are still missing my initial point on DX10 which is the point that the DX10 games aren't great playing in DX10 mode. While DX9 games may benefit, its not worth installing Vista (anyone tried AOL IM's recent security patch?). Once your system hits a certain point at this point in time, using XP over Vista is not going to net you great benefits in gaming, because in the end, games that you play a lot are online so the bottleneck is going to occur more on the internet connection than your rig.
Look all you people who still thinks the new OS (both of them) are great, theres a reason why manufacturers still have XP Pro listed as a possible OS install on their ordering forms. Vista really hasn't stepped up to make it worthwhile. If anyone is thinking about upgrading, just follow my general rule for anything from Microsoft, wait for three major patches/releases. Microsoft generally gets the product down pretty well by their third patch/release.
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Edited, Feb 13th 2008 3:00pm by EonSprinter
Edited, Feb 13th 2008 3:00pm by EonSprinter
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