Why do Hunter do this.......Follow

No hunters shouldn't be getting hit directly. Though sometimes they do, because of our trapping mechanics, we need to gain aggro from a mob to pull him to our trap in order to CC them, but even then they shouldn't be taking hits at all.

They should not be taking direct hits, in other words, no mob should be wailing on a hunter, or any DPS class for that matter. Some things are unavoidable, like the thrown buzzsaw, the whirlwind(one hit, any more than that you need to run faster, but hunters should never have to worry about whirlwind because they shouldn't be meleeing anyway I just added it as one of the abilities that hits other DPS classes that's practically unavoidable), a random volley spell...

Edited, Feb 18th 2008 1:53pm by SynnTastic

No it's not a matter of downing a mob before the mob downs you, it's a matter of the tank should always have aggro. There is no reason any DPS class should be tanking hits, because the tank should be taking any and all hits(besides those unavoidables I mentioned).

If you take aggro from the tank, that's another issue entirely, that could be you, could be the tank, could be a series of unforseen instances of bad luck, but it shouldn't be a constant issue. If it is there are other things going on that need to be worked on.

I don't know where your progression is, if you have gone into heroics yet(I can't open the armory) but in all my mail armor, 2 shots is all it takes to kill me, or one lucky crit. I know some rogues that are way over geared for heroics, that can evasion tank a mob, but if you are going into heroics as a freshly geared raider that ran one or two kara's, don't expect to be living very long if you steal aggro from the tank.

I think you misunderstood the discussion about a Hunter rolling against a Rogue for a leather item. The Hunter is only justified in doing so if the piece is an upgrade. This means that the item will have AGI, AP, and possibly STA. Leather with +Dodge isn't likely to be worthwhile to a Hunter because the +Dodge is accounted for in the itemization costs and will reduce the amount of Hunter applicable stats the item can carry.

In that case the Hunter should of course pass to any Rogue or Druid who wants the item.

Edit PS:
A socket +Dodge bonus is irrelevant. Socket bonuses are rarely worth gemming for, regardless of class.

Edited, Feb 19th 2008 3:01am by Kompera

Sorry about the apostrophe Maz. Aside from incomplete sentences like the one about sitting outside groups, I think I've modified it to what I think is proper english. I just commented on what his post was like in my opinion since I can't do it through the post rating system.

Edited, Feb 18th 2008 11:30pm by Ancalimanarion

My point was if the hunter rolls on a leather item in BF over a rogue that hunter could possible upgrade that item in the next instace he/she runs. The rogue does not have that option.

So using a leather item for what could be a day or two until you replace it is being greedy. A rogue would probably get a longer use out of the leather item then a hunter would in those levels.

I'm not saying I would never use leather either. My boots are leather out of Kara but I only rolled because we didn't have a rogue or druid in the group. I would never roll vs those classes on a leather item. In Kara the leather item is the "highest" upgrade they can use. So a hunter who rolls on it because they think "This will work until I get my mail item" is just being greedy.

Be a team player and quit thinking about only yourself. Passing on the leather to the rogue is still helping you. It's allowing your guild/group to gear up so you are able to move past that instance to harder content.

Edited, Feb 19th 2008 8:50am by Scolariman

Difference between above situation and OP's is the Weapon is different than armor. Now if you were comparing it to a set of daggers or swords vs a bow. This would be very different.

On my side. If a Nice sword, axe or dagger dropped and it looked like a rogue wep. I let the rogue have it for the simple fact that I don't use my melee weapons as much as they do. (like almost never.)

On the other hand I would expect the same courtesy extended to me in the case of a ranged ammo style weapon. (obviously because hunters main weapon is a ranged weapon.

Ok first, we have moved past the OP this discussion has broadened from the specifics of the OP. With that being said:



If I'm not mistaken you only get CE rep from Slave Pens up until honored, which coincidently is also the point at which you can stop turning in unidentified plant parts. So you can get to honored with or without slave pens. The first time I ran slave pens was at level 68, to help a guild mate, I became revered with CE rather easily without it, so your point there is moot.




You are totally missing the point we are making. I'll repeat it again even though it is futile:

My point: Both hunter and rogue roll on the item, both have equal opportunity of winning the item. One of the two will have to go run another instance to get an upgrade since they lost the roll.

Your point: Only the rogue gets the item, the hunter must run another instance to get his upgrade.

Regardless of your oppinion on the matter, your way is showing favoritism towards the rogue. Favoritism is never fair.



See that's your problem right there. You are assuming so many things to come up with your decission on what is fair. I am assuming nothing, my decission of fairness is based on fact.

The fact is, at that moment there is a piece of leather that dropped. This piece of leather is both an upgrade for the hunter and the rogue.

That's it, that's all I base my decission on. The facts, that's fair. Both get to roll on the item.

You on the other hand go into a bunch of "what if's" and assumptions, that shouldn't be taken into account.

Basically put, your whole arguement is "it's leather, the rogue should get it because the hunter can get gear somewhere else". That's a retarded arguement regardless of how you try to defend it.


Edited, Feb 19th 2008 11:34am by SynnTastic

So I guess the tank should roll on all Mail/Leather items for his DPS set. Since most pre-70 tanks are still Fury/Arms. Eventually you need to draw a line with loot as to who it should go to first.

I wish I would have used this logic while leveling in outlands. But then again if I rolled on every DPS item people would have stopped asking me to tank.

These are just the loot rules/opinions that I use while playing. If you don't then fine.

I guess I've had too many ninja's at level 70. Pally healer taking a beast lord helm just because it has +INT on it. Where as if while leveling up people explained to him that he should be looking for specific types of gear instead of just something that works due to a few stats.

Edited, Feb 19th 2008 12:11pm by Scolariman

I don't PvP so I might be wrong but wouldn't you be better off with the higher armor of Mail then you would from the small dodge bonus of a leather item on a hunter?

I thought I was talking about the original post by using examples of gear found in BF. I looked at the gear from the last boss, assumed it was a normal instance run at lower level 60's. First thing I saw was the shoulders. Remembering my days at that level, and remembering I went to Slave Pens after BR, I looked to the gear there and saw the mail shoulders. My common sense told me I would rather have the Mail shoulders so that is how my opinion was formed. Sure the OP might have been talking about the chest, or heroic gear but I went with what I had but he didn't give details.

Sounded like others talked about Leather Gear for hunters using them in just 5-mans where they shouldn't be hit that much because of the Tank holding agro. I know I said in another post "I don't PvP....". That should have been "I don't PvP a lot". So I'd rather have the Mail gear over the leather for extra armor incase I did PvP while leveling up. So I worked at getting the Mail gear and passing all the Leather to other classes.


I guess I started drawing lines earlier then others. Kara for example the leather gear in there would be the highest gear at that stage of progression for a rogue.

Myself and pretty much my entire guild believes the rogue has priority over the leather items because the hunter will be in there long enough to get his mail item. Then after the rogue gets the item the hunter has a right to roll on it next time it drops if they are still waiting on the mail gear.

We have 2 Kara group running right now but we have enough DPS for at least 3. So by giving it to the classes that really need the item to "finish" their gear needs will allow us to rotate another DPS into his slot. Where if the hunter had rolled on the leather item over the rogue it would delay moving that other DPSer into the group.