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#1 Feb 11 2008 at 7:09 AM Rating: Default
I have a lvl 70 hunter and find it hard to get accepted on groups.

Why ?????

Because too many people who are hunters ninja loot.

I have just finished a Blood Furnace run on the Aszune server with my feral druid. The final boss goes down and a very good feral leather item drops. Being the only leather wearer in the group it was definately a need role for me.

You can now guess what happened next, the hunter need roles and wins it.

Why do so many people try so hard to make the game hard for us hunters who play it fair. So I sit outside groups, or if I get in get told not to need role on other peoples drops etc.

I know you all have heard it before, and now I am faced with having to run the instance again with the slim chance that the item will drop.

Well now I have had my gripe I feel better, but next time i'm in a group who he gates into, shall I tell them he is a ninga, hell yes :)
#2 Feb 11 2008 at 7:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Its not just the ninja`ing. Sheep breaking, multiple adds aggro, poor cc. Best thing is to just do YOUR best, show others that your worth taking along for the run. Im sure that item will drop for you again sometime soon.

ps: before hand make sure people know what gear your aiming for, ask them what they are after too,,,saves myther later on.

Edited, Feb 11th 2008 4:26pm by ArchnMez
#3 Feb 11 2008 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good

Did you look at the hunter's gear? Perhaps he could have actually used the item. Just because it's leather doesn't mean it's exclusively rogue or feral druid. Personally I don't use leather, but I know some hunters who like to get a bit of extra DPS from leather at the cost of armor.

Being a hunter, you should understand and you shouldn't go around accusing people of being a ninja when you just simply lost a roll.

P.S. L2Spell/grammar

Edit: To hold myself to my own grammatical standards.

Edited, Feb 18th 2008 11:34pm by Ancalimanarion
#4 Feb 11 2008 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Oh for god's sake just shut up with the bloody whining about huntards.
We've seen millions of threads about that already and really.. its not nearly as bad as you make it look.
#5 Feb 11 2008 at 7:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ancalimanarion wrote:
Being a hunter you should understand and you shouldn't go around accusing people of being a ninja when you just simply lost a roll.


QFT

The only two leather items I see in BF are Vest of Vengeance and Mantle of the Dusk Dweller

Both are very good pieces for a hunter, aside from the low armor of leather, they offer high agility, a good bit of hit rating, and good attack power. All stats important to a hunter, just as equally important to a rogue and feral druid.

Would you get upset at a holy paladin rolling need on a cloth item that has +healing simply because he can wear plate? Can wear does not mean should wear. Hunters shouldn't be taking hits in instances so they don't need to wear mail. Leather armor with better stats is just as much an upgrade as mail armor.

You got upset you lost a roll, understandable. I was upset on my tanking warrior when I lost Legplates of the Bold to a ret paladin. I got over it quickly. I didn't call him a ninja(even though that warranted more of a ninja comment than your example), and I don't think it's right for you to do either in this case.
#6REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2008 at 8:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm the master of the lost roll. It is normal for me so I dont give it much notice. As to the comment about pallies and cloth rolls, if they are holy spec then fair enough, if they are protection then that is not acceptable. You cant need loot on a possible maybe respec.
#7 Feb 11 2008 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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no, you are just whining.

I have never, and i mean never, been denied a spot in a group because other hunters are ninja's.
And i dont belief its anywhere near as common to see that as some people say.














oh and i have 5k+ posts, you have 7. i am right, you are wrong >:)
even if i say that 1+1=17939729, i am still more right then you.

RAWR!
#8 Feb 11 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good


It seems to me that you're the only one that's causing this bad rep. You aren't helping your own cause by going around calling this other hunter a ninja when he had a perfectly legit reason to roll on said item.

Maybe some other random guy went around calling your hunter a ninja looter and telling other people not to group with you because you beat them in a roll. Perhaps that's why you can't find groups on your hunter. Think about it.

Second of all, you are entitled to your opinion but in this case we're saying that it was a legit roll was a ninja loot and we were simply giving our opinions as well.

All you are really doing is spreading the huntard/ninja hunter stereotype.
#9 Feb 11 2008 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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RAWR!


Ooh, easy now tiger.
#10 Feb 11 2008 at 8:39 AM Rating: Default
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Maybe some other random guy went around calling your hunter a ninja looter and telling other people not to group with you because you beat them in a roll. Perhaps that's why you can't find groups on your hunter. Think about it.


I play this game with excruciating fairness, maybe to a fault, but thats how I am. On all of my characters I have never once been accused of looting inapproiately. If I boost I pass on everything, if it is an item I need I always ask the group 1st. Do I get screwed over a lot, yep, but that comes with being honest sadly. Does it anouy me, not really, its my choise.

Why did this guy get under my skin. Well, I guess its the end of a line of experiences with fellow hunters, all bad. I have lost a healing cloth item for my priest to one, had two groups intentionally wiped, both times the hunters thought it was funny (yes they were the culprits)and this was the cherry on the top (fairly or not). Oh yes and the guy in the middle of the instance who said, bye I got my item and left. All this in the last month

Yes I know that I could be exceptionally unlucky and find all the muppets in the world. But now I dont want hunters in my groups and I hate feeling that because I main character and the 1st one I created is a hunter.

Do posts like this cause hunters their bad rep, nope players do that all by themselves.

#11 Feb 11 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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YoYoKatz:

Dude, relax. Aethien is completely correct. As is Synntastic. Continuing to push this argument you espouse against both of them just makes you appear more foolish. They are both long time and well respected members of Alla and the Hunter Forums especially.

I realize that you feel you have a "good handle" on why hunters aren't invited to PUG's. Simply put though: you're mistaken. Perhaps on some servers there are ninja hunters but I think I've run into ONE in the over two years I've been playing this game. Ninja looters traditionally tend to be melee classes as hunters are too far BACK from the kills to effectively ninja loot. When a melee class (Warrior, Rogue, Druid, Paladin [rare ninja in the pally class though- concept conflict!]) drops a target, they can immediately loot them if it's their turn or there is something for anyone. Ninja'ing stuff is on the downside because more aware group leaders can deal with ninjas.

I have no problem getting invites to PUGs. When they ask for "DPS" go ahead and put in your 2 cents to join. If they want a Lock or a Mage, they will tend to ask for it. If they just want any DPS, they will ask for that. I see requests for Hunters all the time.

The best way to defeat the Huntards is NOT to be one. Play smart, learn the class and do the best you can. That's all anyone can ask. Hunters are HARD to play correctly, possibly the hardest class to play right. The problem is, it's a good and versatile class so it can be effective played wrong or in a mediocre fashion. Huntardness shows up really under stress: Instances, BG's and RAID's. That's where the bad rep comes from. Just soloing is easy. Being a real hunter is HARD.
#12 Feb 11 2008 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I find all of these posts regarding evil hunters and "huntards" amusing. Every class has it's own assjacks running around. Are they all hunters? Or warriors? or warlocks? No...they are just assjacks.

Everytime I encounter one of these individuals I say to myself "that player is a complete waste of space" and put them on my block list. I don't really even pay attention to their class. To associate their behavior with a class is moronic. I didn't like a song on the radio this morning...should I avoid all music?

To the OP: It's ok to rant on these forums...but don't be surprised when you are called out on it. You want to be upset at that one hunter...feel free. But to come onto the hunter board complaining about how hunters always ninja loot and you don't want hunters in your groups anymore???? What kind of reaction did you expect?
#13 Feb 11 2008 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
Paladense wrote:
I find all of these posts regarding evil hunters and "huntards" amusing. Every class has it's own assjacks running around. Are they all hunters? Or warriors? or warlocks? No...they are just assjacks.

Everytime I encounter one of these individuals I say to myself "that player is a complete waste of space" and put them on my block list. I don't really even pay attention to their class. To associate their behavior with a class is moronic. I didn't like a song on the radio this morning...should I avoid all music?

QFT I was just going to say this but you already have.

Oh, and Aethien... I rated you up, purely for the "RAWR!"
#14 Feb 11 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Does it anouy me, not really, its my choise.

Are you sure? Because it kinda sounds like it does.
#15REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2008 at 11:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yoyokatz, just shut up and play the game, coming here and whining about it isn't going to get you your lost roll, isn't going to make Huntards play any better and it sure as hell isn't going to get us on your side.
#16 Feb 11 2008 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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ArchnMez wrote:
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RAWR!


Ooh, easy now tiger.
purrrrrrr
#17 Feb 11 2008 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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ouch nasty tigerbite there Aethien (sorry just had to do it)

As for the ninjas i havent acually seen that much of it myself, but 2 times i remeber was acually pallies :P

And to post a "all hunters are morons" thread on a hunter forum without expecting some comebacks seems abit naive. Especially since the hunter might have been well within his rights in this peticular situation.

but feel free to dwell on it if it makes you feel any better.
#18 Feb 11 2008 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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YoYoKatz wrote:
Secondly if I get pissed about the style of gameplay that I have seen on more than just this occation I have the right to post on these forums. Just like you have. If you dont like it, then you know where the door is.
Hypocrisy doesn't suit you. You'll come post if you're annoyed, but if someone else argues against you they should leave? Get real.
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I have never griped on forums, I mainly dont bother because the flamers all come out.

Why this time, because I'm sick of getting bad rep for other peoples actions.
More hypocrisy. You're posting this time because you lost the roll. This has nothing to do with your Hunter having a bad reputation. Any bad rep you have on your own Hunter came from your own actions in groups.
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I play this game with excruciating fairness, maybe to a fault, but thats how I am.
No you don't. Your OP shows that clearly. As pointed out to you previously both the Mantle of the Dusk-Dweller and the Vest of Vengeance are great for Hunters. High AGI, Hit Rating, AP, and STA. If you played with excrutiating fairness you would recognize that you don't even have a cause to grumble, unless it's over the bad luck of losing the roll. The Hunter, assuming his gear was at an appropriate level for Blood Furnace, most likely gained a decent upgrade by winning that roll. He ran that instance with you, he had the same right to the item as you. That's fairness.
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Do posts like this cause hunters their bad rep, nope players do that all by themselves.
You sure do.
#19 Feb 11 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
im known as probably one of the best geared hunters for my level on my server and whenever i'm in a group i...


1) always ask before needing
2) check stats for items and see if its worth it
3) bring extra food incase of anotehr dumb hunter who doesn't bring food
4) bring full quiver for again, more dumb hunters
5) I try to be polite unless after the 10th wipe, then i start to get pissed off >.<
#20 Feb 11 2008 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent

Maybe he was an SV hunter...
#21 Feb 11 2008 at 10:04 PM Rating: Default
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Maybe he's a dumbass
#22 Feb 11 2008 at 10:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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YoYoKatz wrote:
As to the comment about pallies and cloth rolls, if they are holy spec then fair enough, if they are protection then that is not acceptable. You cant need loot on a possible maybe respec.


So you're not upset about a healing pally taking a cloth with healing stats... But you ARE upset about a DPS hunter taking leather with DPS stats? ...And a healing pally can respec DPS or Tank... But a hunter can't spec out of DPS.

So wouldn't you say that a hunter has more right to roll on a DPS leather piece than a pally has to roll on a healing cloth piece? If not more, than at LEAST just as much.

I just think that you're upset about what happened to YOU, and you don't even care about the other injustices that go on... One prime example would be Feral Druids rolling against Rogues on Assassination gear, which has Rogue set bonuses.

Edited, Feb 12th 2008 1:15am by ProjectMidnight
#23 Feb 12 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Paladense wrote:
I find all of these posts regarding evil hunters and "huntards" amusing. Every class has it's own assjacks running around. Are they all hunters? Or warriors? or warlocks? No...they are just assjacks.


Anybody else smell a new Post cereal line stemming out of this?
#24 Feb 12 2008 at 11:24 AM Rating: Default
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As for Ninjas... I've seen 5 or so...

3 Rogues,
1 Shaman,
and 1 new hunter... never played the game and didn't know the difference. I corrected the problem and we moved on.

Serously it isn't the class in any way shape or form. You hoping not to get flamed places you in the wrong place with this post. Put it in your Druid forums if you don't want to get flamed... but chances are they have hunters too. So you will prolly get the smack laid on you there too.

Grow up and deal with idiots. Or just cut yourself off from all human civilization and /slit wrists in your tub of hot water with the ring of candles cause right now your QQin is rediculous.
#25 Feb 12 2008 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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/agree with Aethien.
I have never gotten a bad reaction when i have joined a grouup because i am a hunter, and i am a Nelf to boot!
maybe you should switch servers or something if it is that bad...
#26 Feb 12 2008 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is retarded. It's nothing to do the class people play with.

Grow up. A Warlock needed some plate item today in Steamvaults. There was a pala and a warrior. He won. Does that mean every warlock is an idiot? Nope. It does mean he is an idiot though.

The hunter's just another class. It works for me, and I probably do a good job as I get "/w I've added you to my friends list" quite often too. Wow, I wonder if all those people know I am a hunter ...
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