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#1 Feb 11 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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All I can say is, wow.

Started up this team last night, have extremely little practice as Ret in Arenas, and still went 8-2 for our 10 games.

The burst is so intense, and I was hitting for two 2000s in one second thanks to Windfury. With the MS debuff, it allows us to rip apart anyone, especially healers, with this combo. Any clothie is immediately decimated, no matter the gear. We struggle more on plate wearers, but we can still get them down because of the amount of pure hurt we're putting on them. Besides the damage, we have the ability of being very hard to take down, with my defensive buffs, and the Shaman's offensive Purge.

The only teams we lost against were the ones that seriously outgeared us, and who we can't burst down immediately. I only have 169 resilience, so I'm pretty squishy even in my plate. They usally target the Shaman, but he's a skilled player and knows what to do.

Our tactics are to take out the healer first, unless it's a Paladin. It's basically over after that, as we single target the rest and just nuke to our hearts content. If it is a Paladin healer, we will debuff the squishiest DPS (Rogue, Mage, etc.) and take him down. The reason we don't go after the Paladin if it's a healer is because once we get him down to a low %, he'll simply bubble and go back to full, therefore wasting our openers and stuns, etc. Rather, it makes it harder on the Paladin to cause him to waste mana with big, slow heals that he may never get off.

If anyone runs with this kind of team, or would like to know more about ours, please post! I'd like to get opinions and the like.
#2 Feb 11 2008 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
I heard the only way resto shamans get into 2v2 and 3v3 is when they're friends with the other people. Is that true for you?
#3 Feb 11 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, we all know each other in game, in the same guild, etc.

But I'm curiosu as to why you ask this.
#4 Feb 11 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
Cuz I saw some shamans complaining about it the other day
#5 Feb 11 2008 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Dilbrt, you've got all the subtlety of a bull in a china shop. I know you're talking about me. That's fine. I don't care, you can call me by name.

Resto Shaman aren't all that bad in the arena, and I never said they were. What I said was that they're less desireable than a Priest or Druid or Pally (in my opinion), but played well they can still do the job.

Edited, Feb 11th 2008 2:06pm by Gaudion
#6 Feb 11 2008 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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Gaudion wrote:
Dilbrt, you've got all the subtlety of a bull in a china shop. I know you're talking about me. That's fine. I don't care, you can call me by name.


Clearly that's not how we do things round these parts:

Dilbrt wrote:
You could have just cut to the chase and directed this at me, I know you wanted to.
#7 Feb 11 2008 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Resto Shaman aren't all that bad in the arena, and I never said they were. What I said was that they're less desireable than a Priest or Druid or Pally (in my opinion), but played well they can still do the job.


We're not THAT bad, but we do gimp a team. No CC, no means of escape. If someone is beating on a shaman, that shaman isn't going to get away. If a shaman wants to close in on another person (enhancement), they have no means of doing it. We're the most kite-able class in the game and the easiest to trap. I wish earthbind + Frost Shock had a stacking effect so essentially shamans could "double snare" someone hitting them and have a chance at getting away... but it doesn't work like that.

PS: :X I have a 53 pally which is why I was browsing. Tired of being stunlock fodder in Arenas.
#8 Feb 11 2008 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
Gaudion wrote:
Dilbrt, you've got all the subtlety of a bull in a china shop.


Subtlety and misdirection are the tricks of the trade in this forum.

And Celcio beat me to it...
#9 Feb 11 2008 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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CapJack of the Seven Seas wrote:
Subtlety and misdirection are the tricks of the trade in this forum.


Part of the new Rogue/Hunter 2.4 Paladin spec.

Edited, Feb 11th 2008 6:29pm by Celcio
#10 Feb 11 2008 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
Gaudion wrote:
Dilbrt, you've got all the subtlety of a bull in a china shop. I know you're talking about me. That's fine. I don't care, you can call me by name.


Was it you? I didn't think I saw it here, I thought I saw it in trade chat, but I have a poor memory so its possible, I won't argue. No I wasn't calling someone out, I was merely wanting to see if what I saw was true. However, you're absolutely right on one thing. I'm not in the least bit subtle, never have been, and hopefully never will be. I have no use for tact, I prefer straight up, no sugar-coating, no BS talk, just straight honesty. Its the way I am and the way I intend on being til the end of time.
#11 Feb 11 2008 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Celcio wrote:
Part of the new Rogue/Hunter 2.4 Paladin spec.


rofl, that is full of win :)
#12 Feb 11 2008 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Dilbrt wrote:

Was it you? I didn't think I saw it here, I thought I saw it in trade chat, but I have a poor memory so its possible, I won't argue.


I'm pretty sure you read it from him. He said almost exactly the question you asked, that resto shaman only get 3v3 Arena teams when chosen by friends, not because people are looking for them.
#13 Feb 12 2008 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Jiade wrote:
:X I have a 53 pally which is why I was browsing. Tired of being stunlock fodder in Arenas.

You really should have rolled a Priest or a Druid. ~_~

Holy Paladins are really in nearly the same boat as Resto Shaman right now. With no instant heals other than Holy Shock they're shut down very easily by silence/interrupts, they can't get people off of them or get away from people on their own, they have no CC of their own, and very few, ineffective ways to mitigate incoming CC.

The reason I say, then, is that I would prefer a Paladin over a Shaman is because they're in plate, so they're harder to kill, they have their bubbles, which, again, makes them harder to kill, they can Cleanse, they're much better pinch-healers because FoL is so much more efficient than LHW, and if nothing else they've at least got six seconds to breath because of HoJ. Shaman can buff with totems, which can be very nice, but their only real ace in the hole is the highly dispellable and very mana-hungry Earth Shield, and you can exhaust their mana pool fairly easily by putting them into a position where they have to spam LHW.

Of course, no healer is going to make you invincible. Druids in all their glory can still go down, as can Priests. You do feel like you have a lot more control with them though, and you have a much higher degree of self-sufficiency.

Dilbrt wrote:
I have no use for tact, I prefer straight up, no sugar-coating, no BS talk, just straight honesty. Its the way I am and the way I intend on being til the end of time.

Well, look at you, Billy Badass. But you still couldn't even address me directly...

Edited, Feb 13th 2008 2:10pm by Gaudion
#14 Feb 13 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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You really should have rolled a Priest or a Druid. ~_~


Hehe, mine is Prot and I'd like to hope I can stay that way. I do really enjoy healing, so I wouldn't be sad if I was required to go Holy at 70. ;) Kinda why I chose Pally since I wouldn't be disappointed even if I had to play the "main" spec against the one I'd prefer.
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