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I am sure reading the next thread full of whine on his part will seem like it takes forever, that is for sure.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Celcio wrote:
God, a Holy Pally/Resto Shaman slap fight.
This is going to take FOREVER.
This is going to take FOREVER.
It's pre-TBC holy paladin/resto druid dueling all over again. I think there's still a pair dueling that started back in 2006.
Oh, bodhi... what's happened to you?
You coulda been a contenda, kid. You coulda BEEN somebody, instead of the bum you is.
You coulda been a contenda, kid. You coulda BEEN somebody, instead of the bum you is.
I can still do it, honest coach.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Something to remember is that this patch is not set in stone, and there may be more (or less, for that matter) coming down the pike.
Kassira wrote:
Some situations prot is wanted for pve but can do without
You really can say that about any tanking class. Anything a warrior has tanked in TBC, a druid and pally has tanked as well. Where in some situations, one class might be better for a situation than others of course, I just don't see it as a stable argument.
It's class-to-occasion.. Nothing more. Ret wasn't top DPS in PvE because it wasn't originally supposed to be, Blizz is trying to change it. My point is you don't put a Subt Rogue in raids, you don't put a Prot Pally in PvP, you don't put a Survival Hunter... in... well anything. =P
Some specs just were not meant for a certain occasion. NOTE, to prevent more drama: I'm not saying they can't do well, haven't done well, or that Blizz isn't trying to change that. Just saying that when a spec is created, it's created for a reason and that reason may not be what you want it to be at the time. Hell, ANY healing spec was never PvP intended back in the day, but we all see how that changed.
So to all those PvP-based Prot Warriors out there, keep on truckin'.. You'll find a way.. You'll find a way..
Kassira wrote:
In PVP, holy gets locked down very easily, ret can be healed through by any healer (without a hunter or warrior that is), and prot obviously fails.
Hey I take down them pvp fury warriors like it's nobody's business...
The best use I've found for my prot pally in pvp is that when I throw heals at people they think I'm holy so then while they try and kill me I can trick them in to getting tanked for a bit...
TacticalRage wrote:
you don't put a Survival Hunter... in... well anything. =P
They can actually be quite useful as I understand it.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
TacticalRage wrote:
you don't put a Survival Hunter... in... well anything. =P
They can actually be quite useful as I understand it.
Survival is your raiding/heroic spec for trap CC. Expose Weakness is also a useful debuff since, as it's applied to the target and not to anyone in your group, every melee in the raid gets the benefit of it.
Most people just end up doing pitiful damage with the SV spec since they still gear the same way they would if they were MM or BM, and you can't do that. You have to be a pure agi *****.
No offense towards SV hunters at all. The '=P' was to insinuate a joke. I like to think of SV Hunters as I do shammies, they're good support for the whole raid. We had one for a short while and you could definitely tell a difference in our melee DPS. As it's a joke for SV hunters to do very low dmg(as you pointed out that they typically gear wrong), I thought I'd toss that in.
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Not saying that Resto shammies are the bees knees and neither with Holy Pally. If I did have to choose one I would go with Shammy if only for earth shock, both work until the 1800's and even beyond depending on skill and the myriad factors that always pop up in pvp. What I am saying is that in the smaller brackets Priests and Druids are by far the most viable.
But if you are hurting enough on your Shammy and cheesed about the situation to the point that you feel the need to vent here than all the power to you lil guy.
But if you are hurting enough on your Shammy and cheesed about the situation to the point that you feel the need to vent here than all the power to you lil guy.
ROFL I almost choked on my coffee. "the almighty earth shock" It interrupts but barely even phases casters. It's basically a global cooldown in "silencing" time and only in that tree of spells. It's great for PVE, but in pvp almost worthless (I exaggerate a bit, but seriously compared to other silences/interrupts it is VERY lackluster).
Shamans is the class with the LOWEST % of players with 1800+ 2v2. It's either the lowest or second lowest for 3v3's 1800+ also. Shaman doesn't shine until 5v5 where they can get lost in the myriad of people. Plus then their buffs are affecting even more people (thus boosting the group more).
Shamans are dead once they are targeted basically. Easily stolen Earth Shield (0 resistance at the moment), no means of getting out of CC (Druids can shapeshift/Cheetah, Pally can bubble/BoF, Priest can aoe fear), no form of CC or stun (Druids can cyclone/entangle, Pally can Hammer of Justice, Priests... can aoe fear). Out of all the healers, there's a reason shammies are really really hard to get 1800+ in the smaller arena groups.
Those numbers weren't made up by the way, I was reading some site talking about arena statistics... kinda verified how I've felt about playing Shaman in them. You just feel like a wasted slot holding back your team honestly. :/
I'd really just like to see the whole Shaman/Paladin debate end here. Nothing said on either said is going to change the fact that Paladin healers, though obviously not on top, are far from "not viable".
People seem to have forgotten so easily that Holy Pallies were the Druids of Season 1.
People seem to have forgotten so easily that Holy Pallies were the Druids of Season 1.
Gaudion wrote:
People seem to have forgotten so easily that Holy Pallies were the Druids of Season 1.
Yes and people who know anything about arena will tell you season 1 was a joke.
For example, I am telling you season 1 was a joke. ****, i hit 1860s and im awful.
bodhisattva wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
Holy Paladins are just plain weak in 2v2, to be honest. Far too easily countered by a Mage, Hunter, Discipline Priest or Warlock. If Resto Druid gets the bat in 2v2 I guarantee Discipline Priests will take over, not Paladins.
Alas the fate of limited number PvP. Certain balances, combos will always have distinct advantages. Nerfing people based on 2v2 (while I would love it) is not fair and is about as sensible as trying to balance pvp on 1 on 1 duel mechanics.
I'm still so bitter about many of a nerf taken to Holy Pally,
I wouldn't care so much IF it was just for arena, But
I feel em in BG's reg pve, Raiding, ect...
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