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How underwhelming a patch was this for Paladins?

The best news was that Druids did not get nerfed, thus Holy Pallies are still not viable in 2v2 but Ret is. Which is great news for ret I s'pose as long as they run into a druid.

Edited, Feb 10th 2008 11:18am by bodhisattva

I'm just waiting for a Ret pally in earnest to try this angle in order to champion the Ret cause. It will be fun to point out the fact that being good due to a current class imbalance in a niche part of PvP in no way reflects on ret overall.

I might even be nice when I point it out, think they have taken enough of a whipping in the last couple weeks.

Holy Paladins are just plain weak in 2v2, to be honest. Far too easily countered by a Mage, Hunter, Discipline Priest or Warlock. If Resto Druid gets the bat in 2v2 I guarantee Discipline Priests will take over, not Paladins.

Alas the fate of limited number PvP. Certain balances, combos will always have distinct advantages. Nerfing people based on 2v2 (while I would love it) is not fair and is about as sensible as trying to balance pvp on 1 on 1 duel mechanics.

Meh, Shamans.

In PvE they are a solid healer, perhaps the strongest for 5 mans and an integral part of any raid force. Elemental can do well and has been seeing some gear that better reflects it, much the same way Ret has. Enh is enh, as long as it bring the windfury it will be accepted.

PvP, well I don't PvP with em in any spec but they do alright for themselves if they are well played. But that is a generalization you can make about any class.

we have known the paladin class needed a rethink since tBC, when most of the other classes got thier roles put into place.

aside from the basics, there is not much else we can contribute. class is pretty dumbed down if you ask me. sure gearing takes some thought and know how, but actual playing and abilities can be automated. we have a counter move for absolutely nothing and the seal system just makes for a whole lot of cooldowns and mana loss for little gain.

i was also pondering SoC and Sanc aura. why the hell should we have to spec into 2 abilities that are so damn beneficial class wide. its not like im askin for frost mages to get Pyro(tho now fire gets ice block hmm). how bout a CC or debuff seal in its place and imp Sanc where it is.

i cry FUBAR!

No I was talking about 2v2 only as a tangent in that so little will happen for pallies in this patch that only the fact that another class didn't get nerfed was the only effect any pallies would see from it.



Keep up.

As a whole Ret isn't too bad off Tommy.

The melee vs spell stat issues was resolved, the aggro issue was resolved, some definite PvP buffs were thrown your way and it looks like the gear issue is going to be addressed to fix theses fixes. Ret is still "meh" for raiding, how much of that is class, how much of that is being stuck with a slow 2nder in a world of dw fast hit dps who knows? Over all the frame work has been set to see Ret become a viable class again, compared to the actual laughing it stock it was on the release of TBC.

As for complexity, in raiding spell rotations are never complex and in PvP well you might have to watch autoswing between cool downs while waiting for Socomm proc but really with cleanses, buffs and just trying to stay on a guy that is trying to CC you out of range it is still pretty intensive.

Now that is about as much love as Ret is going to get from me, but it needed to be said.

Tyrandor and shaolinz more, bodh. Really.

Holy Pallies are much better off than Resto Shaman and the only reason they're less viable than Priests is because Priests themselves ***** Pallies over. Heal for heal they're still far more efficient than Priests and Shaman and harder to kill. Warrior/Pally may be < Warrior/Druid but it's still a top combo.

Droods > Priests > Pallies > lawl Shaman.

You know who Resto Shaman synergize with? People who have friends that play Resto Shaman. No team, for any reason, deliberately seeks out a Resto Shaman for any sized PvP team, except maybe 5v5 for Heroism.

What is ridiculous about all that, its pretty much common sense.

Not saying that Resto shammies are the bees knees and neither with Holy Pally. If I did have to choose one I would go with Shammy if only for earth shock, both work until the 1800's and even beyond depending on skill and the myriad factors that always pop up in pvp. What I am saying is that in the smaller brackets Priests and Druids are by far the most viable.

But if you are hurting enough on your Shammy and cheesed about the situation to the point that you feel the need to vent here than all the power to you lil guy.

Going back to the OP, what exactly is it you think Blizzard need to address for pallies in 2.4? Both holy and protection are now completely viable specs with little that needs attention, and retri got some changes in 2.3 that finally made them a decent source of dps (when correctly geared).

While it's nice to read about upcoming changes to your class, there's not really alot that needs doing to pallies at the moment.

I think the point that you are missing entirely due to veritable dunes of sand you have in your ****** about Shammy PvP healing is that I only threw in a barb at Holy Pally healing in 2v2 (without the slightest mention of a shammy at all) to accentuate the fact that Ret truly is becoming a viable 2v2 arena spec as it is proving to be one of the few tools outside frost mages that are able to combat the run and hot druid healers in 2v2 which are without argument the most suited for the bracket.

If you want to turn it into a who sucks more, or latch onto one point in particular and miss the entire messag, take it to an other thread or just flat out learn to play your shammy in pvp.

/shrug

-edited at the guy slowly working on turning a grain of sand clamped tightly in his clam into a pearl of fail

Edited, Feb 11th 2008 12:02am by bodhisattva