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#1 Feb 09 2008 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry if this question has already been posted, but for a fury dual wield build; is it better to have 2 slow weapons due to the damage from WW?
If you do this, will you not find yourself being rage starved a little?
Is the 2 slow weapon tactic purely for end game raiding?
I'm only level 50 at the moment, so I'm just experimenting with different weapon types.

Cheers
#2 Feb 09 2008 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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madhudson wrote:
Sorry if this question has already been posted, but for a fury dual wield build; is it better to have 2 slow weapons due to the damage from WW?
If you do this, will you not find yourself being rage starved a little?
Is the 2 slow weapon tactic purely for end game raiding?
I'm only level 50 at the moment, so I'm just experimenting with different weapon types.

Cheers


yes, a slow offhand will produce better damage with WW.

if your +hit and crit are not adequate, then you may find yourself being rage starved a little.

no, you can use a slow offhand when dual wielding whenever you feel like it.

rule of thumb - if you are dual wielding two slow weapons and you can't produce enough rage to keep BT and WW on cooldown whenever their cd's are up, then you should probably switch to a fast offhand.
#3 Feb 09 2008 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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it shouldn't make a huge impact on incoming rage, fast vrs slow OH.

But tried and true, OH fast, seems to win the cake in a lot of warriors heads.

But I see a trend of competent endgame warriors using OH slow.

Once you have your hit rating at a comfortable level, and you build enough AP up, you'll get plenty of rage, fast slow, fast fast, slow fast, slow slow.

If your routine is (at 70)

BT 6 seconds
WW 9 Seconds2
BS every 120 seconds
Rampage every 25 seconds (or w/e)

You need to make ~8.657777 rage per second. Extra fuels HS or Cleave. Which both generate more threat. Which isn't a huge problem, but it is the highest TPS increase in the fury warriors skill set.

If you want more rage, stack crit/hit/ap for the most effect.
#4 Feb 11 2008 at 2:22 AM Rating: Default
yes, slow weps make better WW attacks.

but you shouldnt keep a slow wep just because its slow

if you find a faster OH with far superior dps then use it over the slower less dps wep.
#5 Feb 11 2008 at 3:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Two slow weapons - Less rage generation, bigger hits on WW, Flurry proves more usefull

Two fast weapons - More rage generation, more yellow damage thanks to Heroic Strike hitting on the "next melee attack"; faster weapons = more heroic strikes

Fast MH, Slow OF - Decent rage generation, More use from flurry due to the slow MH. PRetty much the "standard" set up for fury wartards.

All in, they're all pretty decent, altho I really wouldn't suggest DW two slow weapons; rage starvation is a big factor there. Not to mention the fact that WW is rather weak compared to Heroic Strike in PvE (For PvP WW is more viable, but then again, go fetch a nice two-Hander for that).

Its your choice really. Same with the endless discussion on Shaman-weapons; slow/slow for damage, slow/fast to keep Unleashed Rage up, or even fast/fast for infinite Unleashed Rage procs? Just choose, switch now and then, and see what you like most.
#6 Feb 11 2008 at 4:45 AM Rating: Default
i currently use 2 slow weps, and i have trouble using all my rage when spamming WW, BS, HS and keeping up my shout. I generate 100 in a matter of seconds

i do need to upgrade my OH though (currently working for the glad onehand sword)
but im trying to get latros sword in the meantime, so i will compare the fast wep.


#7 Feb 11 2008 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
For execute spams (since it's not about wpn dmg or speed) you can try a fast MH with a slow OH. Reason for that is, you want to be able to Execute every GCD. With the slow OH you will be able to generate enough rage for the execute come next GCD. If that doesn't work out, you can go either fast/fast or slow/slow. I just thought I'd throw out another option that I've seen being talked about. I've experimented a little bit with it, but not much. 5k excutes with a 1h are pure sex though!!

Please note: If you have a full rage bar use BT first, then execute. I noticed that depending on your AP a 30 rage BT can sometimes be more efficient than a 100 rage execute. Just something I've noticed. This will be different for everyone I'm sure.

If this doesnt make sense, its because I'm at work and got interrupted quite a few times while in mid thought.
#8 Feb 12 2008 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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YetanotherRogue wrote:
Two slow weapons - Less rage generation, bigger hits on WW, Flurry proves more usefull

Two fast weapons - More rage generation, more yellow damage thanks to Heroic Strike hitting on the "next melee attack"; faster weapons = more heroic strikes

Fast MH, Slow OF - Decent rage generation, More use from flurry due to the slow MH. PRetty much the "standard" set up for fury wartards.


This is simply not true. Rage is generated based on damage. It has nothing to do with weapon speed. It is true that slow weapons have spikier rage generation, as they are affected more by misses/dodges/parries, but the only thing that truly matters is the DPS of the weapon. Over a long period of time, the rage generated by a 97.5 DPS weapon will be the same regardless of whether it is 2.7 or 1.5 speed.

The answer to your question is simply take the best weapon regardless of the speed.
#9 Feb 12 2008 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
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All in, they're all pretty decent, altho I really wouldn't suggest DW two slow weapons; rage starvation is a big factor there. Not to mention the fact that WW is rather weak compared to Heroic Strike in PvE (For PvP WW is more viable, but then again, go fetch a nice two-Hander for that).


Are you serious? Were you sleeping when the patch came out and buffed WW? Both HS & WW are quite viable in pve bucko. What's wrong with slow/slow? Haven't noticed that they both take 1 charge out of flurry, therefore you get more hits while flurry is up? Do you even play this game? Really..do you?
#10 Feb 13 2008 at 7:33 AM Rating: Default
yeh WW is very good for PVE now, you jsut gotta watch the CC near you.

if a wep has equal DPS, but one is slow and one is fast is it better to take the slow one, cos tm im saving for my 2nd glad sword and not sure whether to jsut take the fast OH sword or save 9k more honor and get the slow 1Handed sword
#11 Feb 14 2008 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Slow/slow for normal damage, fast/fast or slow/fast on execute range if you can get equal-damage weapons no one else wants, for more steady rage generation and therefore more guaranteed executes every GCD.

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Same with the endless discussion on Shaman-weapons; slow/slow for damage, slow/fast to keep Unleashed Rage up, or even fast/fast for infinite Unleashed Rage procs?

Only shammies who have no idea what the **** they're doing even contemplate using a weapon slower than 2.6.
#12 Feb 15 2008 at 6:40 AM Rating: Default
ty freak i never thought of using fast/fast when it comes to execute range.

on bosses i jsut tend to use execute then pop a rage pot or something to execute, but the wep change sounds better
#13 Feb 16 2008 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
YetanotherRogue wrote:
Two slow weapons - Less rage generation, bigger hits on WW, Flurry proves more usefull

Two fast weapons - More rage generation, more yellow damage thanks to Heroic Strike hitting on the "next melee attack"; faster weapons = more heroic strikes

Fast MH, Slow OF - Decent rage generation, More use from flurry due to the slow MH. PRetty much the "standard" set up for fury wartards.

All in, they're all pretty decent, altho I really wouldn't suggest DW two slow weapons; rage starvation is a big factor there. Not to mention the fact that WW is rather weak compared to Heroic Strike in PvE (For PvP WW is more viable, but then again, go fetch a nice two-Hander for that).

Its your choice really. Same with the endless discussion on Shaman-weapons; slow/slow for damage, slow/fast to keep Unleashed Rage up, or even fast/fast for infinite Unleashed Rage procs? Just choose, switch now and then, and see what you like most.


This is why listening to advice on how to play a Warrior from a Rogue is a really bad idea.

Slow MH, and the OH doesn't much matter. Faster gives you more consistent Rage generation and a larger effect from Sharpening Stones in raids, slower gives you spikier Rage generation and more Whirlwind damage.
#14 Feb 17 2008 at 1:33 AM Rating: Decent
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YetanotherRogue wrote:
Two slow weapons - Less rage generation, bigger hits on WW, Flurry proves more usefull

Two fast weapons - More rage generation, more yellow damage thanks to Heroic Strike hitting on the "next melee attack"; faster weapons = more heroic strikes

Fast MH, Slow OF - Decent rage generation, More use from flurry due to the slow MH. PRetty much the "standard" set up for fury wartards.

All in, they're all pretty decent, altho I really wouldn't suggest DW two slow weapons; rage starvation is a big factor there. Not to mention the fact that WW is rather weak compared to Heroic Strike in PvE (For PvP WW is more viable, but then again, go fetch a nice two-Hander for that).

Its your choice really. Same with the endless discussion on Shaman-weapons; slow/slow for damage, slow/fast to keep Unleashed Rage up, or even fast/fast for infinite Unleashed Rage procs? Just choose, switch now and then, and see what you like most.


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Before you give advice on fury, try to get a grasp on how to spec and itemize a prot warrior so that you can do YOUR job properly. People might be more prone to listening to your advice on their job if you knew how in the hell to do yours.
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