Acording to my friend (who isn't someone who BS's alot.) He said that he took both his Takk and Ghostsaber and took all the training away from them and he said that his Raptor actually had a higher DPS (In tooltips) than the Ghostsaber.
Is this right? I thought the raptor was suppose to have less DPS... or is it accurate until you add in claw and bite?
Just looking for a little clarification. I have been trying to explain to him how the Cat and the Ravager are the "Best" pet to use for DPS at the moment but he is still in firm belief that his raptor does more DPS without any spells.
(He was asking what all the hype was about the Ravager and Cat)
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Well the cat and the raaptor both have the same damage modifier of +10%. So with all skills removed, the cat and ravager should theoretically have the same DPS.
But you have to ask your friend a few variables. Was the test run done on the same mob? Was the test run done with exactly the same amount of time? How long was the test run?
First two being obvious questions, the third is more of a determining factor. If it was a short test run, the raptor could simply have gotten a lucky string of crits to push him over the cat.
But thinking twice about it, tell your friend to check the stats of the cat and the raptor. Petopia doesn't have any base stats listed for level 70 pets(only modifier %), so there could be a possibility that the cat has some lower stat than the raptor causing the raptor to do more damage. I don't know, interesting ideas, but I'm still using my windserpent :-P.
But you have to ask your friend a few variables. Was the test run done on the same mob? Was the test run done with exactly the same amount of time? How long was the test run?
First two being obvious questions, the third is more of a determining factor. If it was a short test run, the raptor could simply have gotten a lucky string of crits to push him over the cat.
But thinking twice about it, tell your friend to check the stats of the cat and the raptor. Petopia doesn't have any base stats listed for level 70 pets(only modifier %), so there could be a possibility that the cat has some lower stat than the raptor causing the raptor to do more damage. I don't know, interesting ideas, but I'm still using my windserpent :-P.
To put it plainly, the idea of scraping away all of the spells and seeing who does better DPS is slightly retarded. You're never going to do that and therefore it's a false reading. The better way would be to get pets of the same lvl and give them all of the maxed damaging skills and cobra reflexes and then go at it, this will give a better, true-er idea of what pet does what DPS.
But honestly Cats and Raptors are almost identical in DPS, both have the same abilities and the sane nodifier to their DPS so which one is better is dependant upon which one looks better next to you.
Ravagers CAN do slightly higher DPS than Cats/ Raptors, but it's not consistant and I personally think they're ugly as hell, so I stuck with my Black Lion.
In the end, if you're a raiding Hunter, pick the DPS pet that you like to look at the most and don't worry about it, the DPS differences are minimal and no one in your party will care as long as you do your job.
But honestly Cats and Raptors are almost identical in DPS, both have the same abilities and the sane nodifier to their DPS so which one is better is dependant upon which one looks better next to you.
Ravagers CAN do slightly higher DPS than Cats/ Raptors, but it's not consistant and I personally think they're ugly as hell, so I stuck with my Black Lion.
In the end, if you're a raiding Hunter, pick the DPS pet that you like to look at the most and don't worry about it, the DPS differences are minimal and no one in your party will care as long as you do your job.
Synntastic, the OP stated that the DPS in the TOOLTIP was different. Now in my opinion this should only be possible if those pets were of different levels, due to the normalization. Hitash, are you sure your friend compared the same level pets? And that he compared them with the same gear on himself? (due to the pet inheritance of parts of the hunter's stats)
Ooooohhh I did miss that in tooltips part.
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Hitash, are you sure your friend compared the same level pets? And that he compared them with the same gear on himself?
My thoughts exactly. If the raptor was higher level, or the gear had changed (or a buff wore off, like Blessing of Kings or something), the pet's TT-DPS would be different.
In truth, the difference between raptor, cat, and ravager is so subtle that it really doesn't matter unless you're an end-game raider and are into some serious min-maxing on DPS. The ravager has a slight edge, not due to stats but to Gore. Gore has a 50% chance to do double damage. Claw does not. Thus Gore > Claw. If ravagers used claw, the choice would all come down to aesthetics.
According to this article on Petopia (the chart in question is all the way at the bottom):
Cats have +10% dmg, base armor, and -2% health.
Raptors have +10% dmg, +3% armor, and -5% health.
Ravagers have +10% dmg, +5% armor, and -7% health.
They all have the same damage modifier (bear in mind, that's only as compared to the baseline pet, the Sporebat). The difference comes down to the pet's skills. Raptors were less desireable for a long time because they couldn't learn Dash, and cats could. That changed a patch or two ago, and there's now no difference in skills between a cat and a raptor (well, aside from Prowl).
It also can come down to your own playstyle and gear/talent specs. If you're a deep Marksmanship build with Go For The Throat and a high crit, a windserpent with Lightning Breath might be best for you.
If your friend is happy with a raptor, let him be. The difference is insignificant unless you're raiding Black Temple or Mount Hyjal.
I think that from what has been said it was the testing that was not complete , out of the three talked about the ravager by using gore should do slightly higher damage if all otherwise are equal with the same mobs being attacked .
The real truth is over a period of time all 3 pets will do roughly the same damage it just depends on which you prefer.
The real truth is over a period of time all 3 pets will do roughly the same damage it just depends on which you prefer.
again, OP said the TOOLTIP dps was the same. other than what everyone else has said (gear/pet level), pet happiness is the only difference i can think of. I think a "happy" pet gets +25% to dmg or something similar, so just ask him to double check that.
And Gore DOES do more dmg than claw, though not as much as it might seem.
-They both cost 25 focus
-Claw has a higher standard dmg output (54-76 vs 37-61 dmg per attack)
-Gore has a 50% chance of doing double damage.
I think bite actually does the most per attack, but submits to a sad cooldown
And Gore DOES do more dmg than claw, though not as much as it might seem.
-They both cost 25 focus
-Claw has a higher standard dmg output (54-76 vs 37-61 dmg per attack)
-Gore has a 50% chance of doing double damage.
I think bite actually does the most per attack, but submits to a sad cooldown
Think about this as well, what buffs did HE have that might have left when he was testing one or the other, you have to remember if your stats are effected, your pets are also effected.
Yeah I was thinking as such as well.
I wasn't trying to discourage him from using his raptor. No in fact he asked me what the hype was about the Cat and Ravager. I told him how they are the "BEST DPS" pet but I told him if he isn't a "elitist" then it really didn't matter so much.
I was kind of thinking that he might have changed a piece of gear or 2. I also did tell him about the fact that it might be lucky crits. I ran down the list but he didn't give me enough info on his test to tell me other than that he had removed all the talents on each of them and only taught them growl and dash 3 to find out what his pets were hitting. I believe he said they were the same level and that his Tooltip said the same thing for DPS.
I am thinking he might have fallen victim to the random Pali running by giving him and/or his pet might or kings.
I wasn't trying to discourage him from using his raptor. No in fact he asked me what the hype was about the Cat and Ravager. I told him how they are the "BEST DPS" pet but I told him if he isn't a "elitist" then it really didn't matter so much.
I was kind of thinking that he might have changed a piece of gear or 2. I also did tell him about the fact that it might be lucky crits. I ran down the list but he didn't give me enough info on his test to tell me other than that he had removed all the talents on each of them and only taught them growl and dash 3 to find out what his pets were hitting. I believe he said they were the same level and that his Tooltip said the same thing for DPS.
I am thinking he might have fallen victim to the random Pali running by giving him and/or his pet might or kings.
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If you're a deep Marksmanship build with Go For The Throat and a high crit, a windserpent with Lightning Breath might be best for you.
2: you need to crit more then once each 3 seconds before a ravager cant use all its focus and i dont know how much more often before WS actually does more dps.
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