Possible shaman nerfs (2.4)Follow

I've always thought that Shamans need to be nerfed. They are just too not powerful enough.

Well.... this looks like upgrades. 6 charges of earth shield but paying 50% (so only paying for the cost of 5 but getting 6). In PVP it gets dispelled anyways, so that's actually great. You spend 50% less mana and if it gets dispelled it isn't as bad as before. Then factor in that it'll have a resist if you pvp with a pve build.

Looks like Resto got a tiny pvp buff while elemental got kicked in the balls.

*waves Enhancement shamans*

Tremor on 3 sec pulse instead of 5 may make it actually work in pvp....

I would be infuriated as well. Elemental has a special place in my heart.


But what about in pve when the tank gets ES. 10 charges lasts 1-2 fights. 6 will last maybe one or 1/2.

Edited, Feb 8th 2008 6:02pm by Draeneipally

I cant really say anything for the first three since I've never been Elemental and I never will be.

Love that Tremor and Posion Cleansing pulses faster, great for everything.

Hate the two for Earth Shield. 50% mana reduction doesnt matter in groups/raids becasue you can cast, tell them to wait and let the mana regen. In PvP you can cast for free during the 5 seconds of free spells after mass rez. 6 charges would suck, both PvE and PvP since you get healed less, doesnt last as long.

Would love the last one, Earth Shield might actually last longer than 60 seconds.


Edited, Feb 9th 2008 1:21am by CestinShaman

Edited, Feb 9th 2008 1:22am by CestinShaman

This patch was mostly bug fixes. I am hoping that they were just getting them out of the way so they had less to worry about as far as balance goes for some bigger changes.

There is still hope. Once WotLK hits, content will move to level 80 and players will gain new talents and abilities.

If they are, you know, good, then Shaman may be restored to at least a level place. (I don't want it to be as powerful as it once was. I like it when there isn't a bandwagon on classes, EG Hunters.)

I just want Balance. Blizz is closer than last year, and way closer than the year before that. They just haven't quite gotten it yet.

Honestly, I just wish they gave different spells either-or effects. Like, Frost Shock does this in PvP but that in Arenas / BG / against other PCs.

It would be a lot of work, but it would be nice if every ability every class had did something in all content. Like Stoneclaw Totem. Who uses this in a raid and why?

Who uses it in PvP and WHY for that matter...

I saw the original post and almost choked to dead. Took 8 posts till someone actually noticed only one of those was in blue;

Lowering the LB spell coefficient would be horrible. We get to little from +spellpower anyway, ever since LB casting speed was reduced by 0.5 secs. Also, LO not proccing from instant spells would be pretty unusual; making that sort of change for a 20% chance proc of a spell we can use once every 3 minutes?

The whole idea behind the LO changes in the last patch was that by halving the damage, but making it proc more often, it would be easier to keep up clearcasting. Going trough an entire BF-run without having to drink once? Priceless.

And finally, the Earth Shield changes. Lets face it; we had it comming. Resto Shammies are terrible hard to kill in PvP, takes ages. Then again, holy/prot priests are worse. But I guess Blizzard couldn't prossibly nerf their love babies (ok ok, I'll take this to the paladin forums).

All in; we had the ES nerf comming... yes, its a nerf, even with the mana-cost reduced. But I swear to god, the day they mutilate elemental like this, I'm speccing Ench again (oh, the horror!).

I lol'd so hard, Earth Shield does not need a nerf. If anything it is in need of a huge buff or "redo". Make it harder to dispell (30% not being much). Make each charge seperately dispelled?

The mana reduction is only good for pvp, but pve? i dont want to waste mana on prince to rebuff ES on the tankadin every 5-6 seconds. I doubt it wil even truely translate to 50% mana redution knowing how retarded blizzard can be when "buffing" shaman.

Yes. A thousand times yes.

They were never claimed to be real; the original post noted that they were the result of a few design meetings that someone swiped while in the company (or something along those lines, I really don't remember the details). It definitely mentioned that not all changes on the list would hit with the official patch.

Considering that they had some rather far-out changes in both the notes and the actual 2.4 PTR changes (see: Earth Shield changes, especially the number of charges - 'Six' is not an answer you'd expect people to pick by random) I trust them, at least in the sense that they're ideas that may or may not pan out.

Then you're not healing heroics or Kara.

Well, that would depend on your tanks. But as the only healer in a herioc group, if your tank is anything less than full-epic geared, Earthshield is more or less just mitigation; active healing is going to be what keeps him alive. I'm not saying healing heroics is hard, but Earthshield is hardly OP in any manner of post-70 PvE content, especially with the outrageous mana cost. I'm nearly in full epics of various origin (Kara, PvP, badges) and Earthshield still sucks 9% of my total mana away per cast.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Hold on a second. I'm going to have to stop you right there.


I thought your main was Elemental. So you're telling me your off-spec has +2000 healing? Or are you Resto? You need to clear this up for me right now, because that could clear up a lot for me regarding my respect (or lack thereof) for any advice you've been giving lately. Because based just on hearing that, I'm thinking one of two things are probably true:

1. You're lying. And you're probably not, I'm trying to look at your armory page but I can't because the website is sucking, but I can't imagine you'd make gear claims like that with an armory link at the bottom of your sig.

2. You are overgeared for heroics. If you are running with tanks who are approaching even remotely as geared as you are then you are probably running with tanks who are perfectly capable of tanking every pull in a heroic without any CC at all. I'm assuming this is the case based on you saying...


Look. It's obvious we got off on the wrong foot, and I take complete responsibility for that. But you need to understand something right now: you need to stop giving advice on heroics based on your current gear level and the level of gear of people you (probably) run with. I'm not saying, "Stop giving advice," but you need to adjust your angle some.

When I tell people about running VC or WC for the first time, I'm going to assume they're 16-22 and I'm to give them advice with that in mind. I'm not going to give them advice from the vantage point of someone who's level 35 with mostly blues on. That may seem ridiculous to you, but that's basically the equivalent of what you're doing.

When I am talking about running heroics, I am talking about people who are either just gearing up for Kara or who just started running Kara. People that are probably in all blues or mostly blues with maybe two or three purples. These are the people that "run" heroics. With gear in the range you're talking about, you're not "running" heroics. You're farming them.

People geared like that don't need advice on heroics, and your assumption that everyone else is going to be running around in gear like that is doing more harm than good. I would honestly be pissed if I just cleared TK for the first time and you were giving me this advice about running a heroic, because when I got there the reality of it isn't going to match up even remotely close to the picture you've painted for me and I wouldn't be prepared to deal with anything there.

Edited, Feb 17th 2008 12:01am by Gaudion