Elemental Raiding talents/ cast sequence (from a non-shaman)Follow

I take it personally when people give terrible advice to people who don't know any better.

While I sometimes may disagree with Gaudion, he does know what he's talking about usually -- this case is not an exception. Storm Reach is certainly a talent you should take in any build; you'll save a lot more mana from crits than from mp5 gear, so why not put them in?

Anyway, unless all you freakin' do is 25 mans (ie no soloing, no 5 mans, no heroics, nothing other than raiding), then your point is moot. Let's say you get aggro in a heroic -- Storm Reach puts you at a farther distance, letting you kite for longer, letting your tank regain aggro, thus saving you and your group a hefty repair bill. Or let's say you're out farming -- that extra yardage will help you kill it quicker, because that mob won't be beating on you (thus increasing downtime, and castime due to pushback), and you can farm quicker.

Storm Reach is a must-have talent for pretty much any build; there may be certain fights where it is not required, but that's like saying not to take Imp Chain Heal because in some select few fights you can't use Chain Heal.

EDIT: And to jmfmb (or however the hell you spell it) -- you are an illiterate fool, and your opinion means little more than that of a cockroach. If I hurt your feelings...oh well. Judging by your nescient diatribe in your last post, you won't care -- all the better! Perhaps if you were a bit more acquainted with the bloody English language, people would grant you slightly more respect.

Edited, Feb 11th 2008 12:00am by GWynand

Ah, the cry of the epic fail. Any time anyone is put down, their old mantra is repeated once more.

The point is that in my opinion, my opinion is more valid than yours! We are all entitled to our opinions, amirite?

So many memories


/popcorn

Draenei I have been nice to you lately, don't forget to mention you put up a 61/0/0 spec for ele pve build and then changed it, or something horrible like that, that deserved someone to step in and put you where you belong.

First of all I belong whrever the F*ck i want, Don't F*cking talk down to me like you're better than me. It takes a lot to **** me off, and ou just hut one of my buttons ma'am. Don't act like you're better than me because you are not ma'am. Your arrogance is not needed nor wanted. If anything, you need to beput in your place. You think your better than anyone here? NOT, you need to be put where you belong, in the seat next to me.

edit : For more info see the bottom of my sig.

Edited, Feb 12th 2008 7:43pm by Draeneipally

This thread is helpful.

--Edited 'cause of the Shaman Love thread.--

Yeah, it was for you, Gaudion. ;P

Edited, Feb 13th 2008 7:23pm by Raglu

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEczq0MsAotZxbjz0x pve raiding, you can play with the resto tree to your liking 4/5totems for 2/2 self rez or fill out totems.. i perfer .5sec off of heals cause i rather get that heal off on myself faster and not die instead of saving like 40 mana.

i personally hate eye of the storm i spec'd it to finish leveling and yet to spec out of it but i rarely get critted while farming so its never up so really not worth the points, and if i step into a BG i try to hide and just LB/CL ppl if they see me im dead anyways so the talent really isn't worth the points.

also if your raiding either use a LB spam if you have a great amount of haste or a 3/1 rotation, i use a 4/1 rotation cause i have a decent amount of haste but not enough to really forget about the boost of damage CL can put out; ill switch to a 3/1 spam if theirs a bunch of mobs and no sheeps around.. last thing when you under heroism buff its really not worth using CL in that 45sec's just spam LB for the 45secs then switch back to your rotation with CL in it.

if your pvp driven never spec 41 elemental, you only usually get to set up totems once in arena other then tremor/poison.. and NS far out weights wrath in pvp.

in raids youll range from 2-7 on meters depending on fights, ill come in first on some fights like lurker but not often locks usually beat me and a rogue sometimes.. all our mages are sadly spec'd frost


Edited, Feb 19th 2008 4:41am by Scracky

Prince it's possible to do without Storm Reach - as a shadow priest, I have to take about 3 steps back (I think? haven't done Prince in a few months) in order to get out of range with my 24-yard Mind Flay (arg!). Well within 30 yards of him, anywho. Beyond that, ANY range increases are a must. Being at max range on Reaver is a must, less running around on Al'ar p2, Leo's Whirlwinds, the adds on Lurker, throwing damage on Striders, Supremus p2... should I go on?

Before tier 5 raids I used a spec like this http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hE0zy00qAotZVbjz0x.
Once we started SSC I switched to http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEczq0MsAotZVbjz0x.

For casting sequence, I wait for the tank to build up a good amount of agro while I lay my mana, and 2 wrath totems, then cast an EM chain lightning if its safe. I then just cast 4 lightning bolts then chain lightning and repeat this. If I notice my mana going down too fast I just stop casting chain lightning.

As a side note:

I updated the FAQ Elemental PVE spec to Gaudion's spec. But the same holds true that it's up to personal preference, and granted his is slightly better than mine was anyway, props.

Second, interesting observation. You may notice a loss in dps on trash raid pulls the farther away from the mob you are because you dont actually hit the mob until the bolt hits them (considering your distance). So if possible, (and only when you have no fear of AoE or cleave effects, standing close to the mob you're shooting lighting at might actually give you a better representation of your dps.

I noticed that in Karazhan last night that although our group far out-geared the instance, my dps was completely under what it should have been until I realized that only one or two of my lighting bolts were hitting the mob before they died.