Okay i always try to have well rounded characters. I have been tweaking my Holy spec now that my gear is better. I have 2 points left and 4 options for them.
Please take a look and hit me up with advice.
right now im torn between improved blessing of wisdom or purifying power. I purify like a ****, and i always run with BoW on.
Most arena/holy specs i see 2 points in Stocism but i have never had that and i feel fine running without it.
Also going 3/3 of blessing of life may be nice too.
Here is my build template Template
Also here is my armory if you want to see my gear :)
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Edited, Feb 7th 2008 12:01pm by flavadave
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Wisdom hands down IMO. Its the only useful PvE talent you haven't taken, plus it could come in handy verses mana burn teams. I personally think Blessed Life is one of the most worthless talents in the entire holy tree.
Also if you're into arena, most people take imp RF over improved shield spec. One more thing that dispellers have to remove before they get to your good buffs, and then if they don't dispel, thats straight up 6% less damage you take from both melee and spells.
Also if you're into arena, most people take imp RF over improved shield spec. One more thing that dispellers have to remove before they get to your good buffs, and then if they don't dispel, thats straight up 6% less damage you take from both melee and spells.
21 points in prot are almost required for arena. 40 holy. need to max out imp conc aura to reduce silence effects which you will see a lot of. Its up to you whether you want to put the points in stoicism or imp HoJ. both are useful imo.
Personally i opted for blessed life over light's grace. But yeah, blessed life is useless in PvE completely.
Edited, Feb 7th 2008 9:14am by KTurner
Personally i opted for blessed life over light's grace. But yeah, blessed life is useless in PvE completely.
Edited, Feb 7th 2008 9:14am by KTurner
That's the thing most people don't realize. Heck I just saw a post in the hunter forums with the same thing. People want to do well in arena, do well in 5-mans, and do well in raids without ever having to respec. Honestly the only class I know that respecs for each of those without much complaining is a warrior, other classes try to use one spec for everything, and it just simply doesn't work... not if you plan on doing well anyway. Don't try to be a jack-of-all-trades, you'll end up sucking at all of them.
How about this
I took the point out of blessed life and dropped it into improved wisdom.
Why you ask?
Because Blessed Life has an 88% chance to do nothing and IBoW will always be there for you
I also traded the points in Shield Spec for IRighteous fury because the damage reduction is superior to the damage absorbed by Shield Spec by far. Then I picked uo Stoicism - very valuable in pvp - much more so than Blessed Suck.
(if they have to try and try again to dispell/purge your buffs it'll **** 'em off so bad then you can laugh your *** off...ahhh, good times ahead my friend)
Edited, Feb 7th 2008 12:30pm by chood
I took the point out of blessed life and dropped it into improved wisdom.
Why you ask?
Because Blessed Life has an 88% chance to do nothing and IBoW will always be there for you
I also traded the points in Shield Spec for IRighteous fury because the damage reduction is superior to the damage absorbed by Shield Spec by far. Then I picked uo Stoicism - very valuable in pvp - much more so than Blessed Suck.
(if they have to try and try again to dispell/purge your buffs it'll **** 'em off so bad then you can laugh your *** off...ahhh, good times ahead my friend)
Edited, Feb 7th 2008 12:30pm by chood
actually my previous advice may be bad. i went to http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/2/all/all/all/all/1-2 and looked up the top pallies in the world. you can check their builds. 41/20/0 is the common one.
But for arena, i would go there and see what the top dogs are using. just keep in mind the talent build isnt necesarily the same as what they PvP with. So if you look up the armory and see they have PvP gear on, chances are good their spec is for PvP.
True, but pallies are definitely pretty close to being able to use one spec. might not be 100% optimal in one of the situations but at least 99% optimal. If you spec for PvE healing, you will still do pretty good in arena provided you have the gear. Gear is by far the biggest factor. Goddamn, i have no space. I have pvp heal gear, pve heal gear, prot gear and a ret set ive been collecting while my tanking stuff continues to not drop.
But for arena, i would go there and see what the top dogs are using. just keep in mind the talent build isnt necesarily the same as what they PvP with. So if you look up the armory and see they have PvP gear on, chances are good their spec is for PvP.
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That's the thing most people don't realize. Heck I just saw a post in the hunter forums with the same thing. People want to do well in arena, do well in 5-mans, and do well in raids without ever having to respec. Honestly the only class I know that respecs for each of those without much complaining is a warrior, other classes try to use one spec for everything, and it just simply doesn't work... not if you plan on doing well anyway. Don't try to be a jack-of-all-trades, you'll end up sucking at all of them.
True, but pallies are definitely pretty close to being able to use one spec. might not be 100% optimal in one of the situations but at least 99% optimal. If you spec for PvE healing, you will still do pretty good in arena provided you have the gear. Gear is by far the biggest factor. Goddamn, i have no space. I have pvp heal gear, pve heal gear, prot gear and a ret set ive been collecting while my tanking stuff continues to not drop.
chood wrote:
How about this
I took the point out of blessed life and dropped it into improved wisdom.
Why you ask?
Because Blessed Life has an 88% chance to do nothing and IBoW will always be there for you
I also traded the points in Shield Spec for IRighteous fury because the damage reduction is superior to the damage absorbed by Shield Spec by far. Then I picked uo Stoicism - very valuable in pvp - much more so than Blessed Suck.
(if they have to try and try again to dispell/purge your buffs it'll **** 'em off so bad then you can laugh your *** off...ahhh, good times ahead my friend)
I took the point out of blessed life and dropped it into improved wisdom.
Why you ask?
Because Blessed Life has an 88% chance to do nothing and IBoW will always be there for you
I also traded the points in Shield Spec for IRighteous fury because the damage reduction is superior to the damage absorbed by Shield Spec by far. Then I picked uo Stoicism - very valuable in pvp - much more so than Blessed Suck.
(if they have to try and try again to dispell/purge your buffs it'll **** 'em off so bad then you can laugh your *** off...ahhh, good times ahead my friend)
I cant say i understand the dislike for blessed life. if you dont like that, you must not like resilience.
I just don't like Blessed Life because it's percent based improved wisdom is there all the time.
Actually if you have a ton of resilience thats even more reason not to take Blessed Life. Resilience is all you need.
(and to be honest I enjoyed pvp much more before resilience)
Actually if you have a ton of resilience thats even more reason not to take Blessed Life. Resilience is all you need.
(and to be honest I enjoyed pvp much more before resilience)
Res caps out, when that caps blessed life is still working.
and BoW is not always with you, a lot of teams can purge/dispel/arcane shot. One could argue that Blessed life is always there cuz it cant be removed, or one could argue that res must also be **** since its percent based.
oh and, yeah res ruined PvP for me entirely :P but sadly it cant be ignored.
Edited, Feb 7th 2008 9:47am by KTurner
and BoW is not always with you, a lot of teams can purge/dispel/arcane shot. One could argue that Blessed life is always there cuz it cant be removed, or one could argue that res must also be **** since its percent based.
oh and, yeah res ruined PvP for me entirely :P but sadly it cant be ignored.
Edited, Feb 7th 2008 9:47am by KTurner
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I love the advice, btw I do use improved Right Fury, i just thought I might try sheild spec cause I don't like RF on when I raid. But I can see that it is more useful to have it.
Is trading lights grace for blessed life a good idea. Seems like it to me, i mean .05 isn't enough to save a dying target that you have already get to low anyways. I guess I will just take it off and see if I can live without it.
Is trading lights grace for blessed life a good idea. Seems like it to me, i mean .05 isn't enough to save a dying target that you have already get to low anyways. I guess I will just take it off and see if I can live without it.
flavadave wrote:
Is trading lights grace for blessed life a good idea.
I vote yes. but apparently the top pallies int world disagree and only put 1 point in there! so... id probably go by what they are doing.
KTurner wrote:
Res caps out, when that caps blessed life is still working.
I though the crit damage reduction capped at 490 resilience but that the DoT dmg and the crit strike chance had no cap.
KTurner wrote:
and BoW is not always with you, a lot of teams can purge/dispel/arcane shot.
I was thinking of IBoW in a PVE setting, i should have clarified. In PVP I usually go with Kings but I see your point
KTurner wrote:
or one could argue that res must also be sh*t since its percent based.
That would not make for a successful argument because resilience reduces crit rate and damage by a percentage all of the time. This is entirely different than how Blessed Life works.
KTurner wrote:
oh and, yeah res ruined PvP for me entirely :P but sadly it cant be ignored.
glad I'm not the only one that wants to return to the good 'ole days
chood wrote:
KTurner wrote:
Res caps out, when that caps blessed life is still working.
I though the crit damage reduction capped at 490 resilience but that the DoT dmg and the crit strike chance had no cap.
wowwiki wrote:
The damage reduction from a critical strike is capped at 25%, which equates to 492.5 resilience at level 70. However, there is currently no cap on DOT reduction or critical strike chance reduction.
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KTurner wrote:
or one could argue that res must also be sh*t since its percent based.
That would not make for a successful argument because resilience reduces crit rate and damage by a percentage all of the time. This is entirely different than how Blessed Life works.
Huh? Ok, lets say you are capped on res (just because i kinda know those numbers) thats a 12.5% chance a crit (which is also only a chance) against you will not crit. This could range from a 33%-57% mitigation in itself but only for a would be crit. Then if a crit gets by that crit is reduced by 25.x% always. And any DoT on you will be reduced by 12.5% no matter what. Its a good stat, no doubt about it.
Blessed life effectively does exactly the same thing. Whereas res has a 12.5% chance to cause 33-57% less damage on crit, blessed life has a 10% chance to reduce any damage (non crits and crits) by 50%. The only difference is that res mitigates dots and mitigates crits that arent eaten up by res. Wonder if a crit that has had 25.x% taken off of it could also be halved by blessed life. If thats not how it works let me know, its pretty obvious i am in the minority.
Edited, Feb 7th 2008 10:58am by KTurner
KTurner wrote:
Blessed life effectively does exactly the same thing. Whereas res has a 12.5% chance to cause 33-57% less damage on crit, blessed life has a 10% chance to reduce any damage (non crits and crits) by 50%. The only difference is that res mitigates dots and mitigates crits that arent eaten up by res. Wonder if a crit that has had 25.x% taken off of it could also be halved by blessed life. If thats not how it works let me know, its pretty obvious i am in the minority.
Resilience is reducing damage on every crit and DoT made against you and reducing your enemy's crit chance. Blesses Life on the other hand only has a 12% chance of doing anything. I may be oversimplifying but anyway that’s how I look at it.
I don't know I'm probably not giving Blessed Life enough credit. I see its value in PvP but I chose IBoW so I could have the best of both worlds (PvP and PVE) all in one build. If all I done was PvP I’d add it to my build though, definitely adds to survival.
chood wrote:
KTurner wrote:
Blessed life effectively does exactly the same thing. Whereas res has a 12.5% chance to cause 33-57% less damage on crit, blessed life has a 10% chance to reduce any damage (non crits and crits) by 50%. The only difference is that res mitigates dots and mitigates crits that arent eaten up by res. Wonder if a crit that has had 25.x% taken off of it could also be halved by blessed life. If thats not how it works let me know, its pretty obvious i am in the minority.
Resilience is reducing damage on every crit and DoT made against you and reducing your enemy's crit chance. Blesses Life on the other hand only has a 12% chance of doing anything. I may be oversimplifying but anyway that’s how I look at it.
I don't know I'm probably not giving Blessed Life enough credit. I see its value in PvP but I chose IBoW so I could have the best of both worlds (PvP and PVE) all in one build. If all I done was PvP I’d add it to my build though, definitely adds to survival.
There has to be some truth to your logic. I am a pretty firm believer in just looking at the top dogs and considering them right, cuz hey it works. And the top 2v2 pallies run 3/3 lights grace and 1/3 blessed life. And if my crappy computer would work i could see what they do for IBoW, but armory wont work for me.
Also, you are oversimplifying. Resilience is by far a better statistic than 3 points in blessed life, i wont argue that. But the only thing res is "always there for" is dots. Afterall, a crit is only a chance too. My rogue has a 26% crit chance in pvp gear. Theres only a 26% chance the crit reducing aspect of res will do anything. and after that there is only a 13% chance the crit damage reducing aspect of res will do anything. Thats 87% of my attacks (after res) that are uneffected by that particular trait.
Blessed life complements this by adding an additional 10% chance for an attack to cause half damage. Half damage! i only have a 13% chance to crit, and now i have a 10% chance to cause 50% damage!? So even if i do crit there is a 10% chance it wont even hit like a crit.
So yeah, color me confused. i just dont get why every pvp paladin doesnt take it. .5 sec off holy light doesnt seem better to me. Great for PvE, but meh in PvP imo....
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 8:33am by KTurner
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