Hemo Rogue AdviceFollow

Hemo is bad for PvE. It *used* to be good before they nerfed it, but no longer. For a build that does PvE and PvP well, go with a cookie cutter Combat 20/41/0 spec.

And yes, hemo would replace SS altogether as your main attack. People don't spec 0/41/20 hemo for anything, as it is bad talent build in general.

Now where do you show that its 'bad'? The last set of numbers that I looked at(using t5 or equivalent gear) puts it 4th in rank of builds in terms of DPS, behind combat "insert weapon/s" by about 5%. Not to mention it buffs raid dps, so there's always that to take into consideration.

Relentless Strikes

If Combat Rogues are losing to you on Loot Reaver then those Rogues suck. Reaver is one of the worst fights for Hemo.
Your bonus damage is assuming every Hemo charge is used up which is not true by any means.

20 or 16 in Assassination = Relentless Strikes >>>>>>> Anything else at that level.

Hemo from what I can gather doesn't work until you up your AGI past a threshold then it becomes very competitive with Combat. So until your gear matches up, stay away from Hemo.

Ok, I'm going to catch flak for this I'm sure but I was spec'ed combat until recently. My rogue is lvl 40 and I switched to a hemo build just as an experiment, to see how a rogue with a high burst damage worked. So far, I'm very impressed with it. I use hemo instead of SS to build combo points, and between this and the burst of damage I get from my opener (ambush), I'm able to take down a mob much faster than when I was combat and using a sword.

I realize that over the long haul this may not be the best or more efficient spec for dealing damage in a PVE setting, but for right now it works for me.

Please tell me you're using Hemo and a dagger.

@ElementHuman
They should scale the same, since the only difference that a Hemo build could make would be SC, but you really shouldn't spec Hemo+SC for raiding.

Yes, I'm using a dagger. Why?

:( nobody answered my questions. QQ

If you read my original post, then you'd know I'm opening with Ambush which requires a dagger. I'm getting nasty crits on a regular basis with this opener.

I'm quite happy with the rogue right now, a 600+ opening shot shortens the fight considerably. Over a period of time, I'm sure a combat sword build will do more damage but frankly the fights aren't lasting long enough currently to justify changing back to a combat sword build.

First off hemo is not a DoT. Its a debuff that adds dam to the next physical attack. Practically worthless when soloing. Hemo is slightly more efficient than SS, and can be used to stunlock although not nearly as efficiently as Mut.

The 1st 10 pts in sub = 0 contribution to dps as you should not be hemoing with a dagger(so 0/5 in Opportunity). Hemo is an instant strike and should be used with a wpn that has the highest dam range, ie slowest wpn spd(generally). These are always going to be swords/fists/maces. Not quite as important as it used to be as hemo is now normalized but for max dam should still be slowest wpn you can get your hands on.

So 10 talent pts in convenience(Camo, MoD, imp sap) versus 10pts in assassination. In the assassination tree you get 5% crit from malice and then 3/3 ruthlessness(free cp 60% of the time) and either 2% more dam from murder or 10% more dam from evis.

This adds up to 5% crit + free cp + 2% more dam to all attacks from 10 talent pts compared to 0 dam from sub.

Then you come to GS versus relentless strikes: Ghostly strike is a nice unnormalized attack on a 20sec cooldown that grants 15% dodge for 7sec. Nice utility when soloing, esp more than 1 mob at a time. Relentless strikes is a chance at free energy every time you use a finishing move. Free energy=more dam.

Basically the 1st 11 pts in assassination are a must for almost any successful build. Pt for pt its by far the best way to spend 11 talent pts. In my current gear(t4/t5) those 11 pts in assassination account for 13-14% of my dps.

that is because it isnt worth it Bitter. That is why ppl dont do it. You should be backstabbing if you refuse to give up the dagger in mainhand.

Why would you consider it worthless? It adds 42 damage to every attack you do. That is what - about 50dps worth total? And I think you get +14dps more if you fire off S&D. That's huge.
And funny enough, in a raid it will be the others who will eat up your debuff. When soloing, you profit yourself.

Btw, the next hemo attack also gets +42 damage, right? And kick too?

Regarding wpn swapping with hemo: as long as you use a macro or a mod like Outfitter, you won't lose autoattck time. As was pointed out earlier it does reset the gcd. So when you ambush the mod instantly swap out the dagger and starts autoattack with the sword(or fist/mace) so you will see an ambush+white mh dam at the same time and when they both crit its pretty decent dam(4k+ depending on armor in my gear anyway), wait 1sec for gcd then ghostly strike as the mob turns around. Wouldn't recommend for pvp, but for pve grinding/instances it's pretty fun.

Regarding hemo buff for soloing/grinding, if i kill a mob in 10sec, figure i open with cs, then hemox3 and evis. That's aprox 11 hits on the hemobuff, thats a total of 462 extra dam, any special or mh crit would more than make up for that dam. In short fights its a very negligible increase in dam. Maybe not worthless but something i wouldn't miss if it wasn't there.