Muti, target not stunnedFollow

I argue that shiv is a better use of energy than SS in that case, if only to make sure cripling stays up.

I used two Ceds as mutilate for about a month. I did fairly well with them :D

I assume you mean pvp?

In that case, learn to mouse turn. Some very very useful help in this thread and the Theo UI thread that came out around the same time.

In PvP you can simply run through your enemy, spin round with the mouse & Slam them with Mutilate. With a bit of practice you will find yourself using KS less and other finishers more since you are now able to be behind your enemy without the need to use it. This is most evident with keyboard turners since you can literally be behind them for 90% of the fight without ever having to use a stun / incapacitate (obviously depending on class). This is generally a good thing to try to do regardless of spec, if you are behind your enemy they can't use moves on you (except certain auto-cast spells) because you aren't in their Line of sight so you take less damage as well. The advantage of being behind your enemy is that they also can't block/parry your attacks/KS.

Think about it.. why bother strafing around them when the character models in WoW aren't physical obstructions. You aren't actually doing yourself any favors by running around them.

It is best to save KS for a situation where you are stuck in front of someone (Hamstring, concussion shot, crippling poison e.t.c.). Or for when you KNOW you can out-cooldown your opponent. Being able to CS>Mutilate>Expose armor *then* go into KS will yield more dps since if you have improved KS it will stack with EA. Expose armor will also up the Dps of anyone else who is attacking your target.

Umm.. sorry to rain on your parade.. but you do need to be behind the target to Mutilate..

"Instantly attacks with both weapons for an additional 101 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 50% against Poisoned targets. Must be behind the target. Awards 2 combo points."

Damn you speedburst, you got there before me :P

Rate up to you for quoting & highlighting exactly the same things as me in bold.

Edit:Can't seem to rate you up, so I'll just give you a proverbial pat on the back.

/Pat speedburst

Edited, Feb 6th 2008 5:59am by Flubgaurd

If you mouse run (both buttons) your left hand should be free to hit any hotkeys needed. I've been muti forever, sadly switching to combat swords for Kara, but if you're stuck in front out of stealth, here's my suggestion - blind, bandage if needed and then position yourself. If you've got Cold Blood, put it up, and muti for guaranteed 3 combo points. Kidney shot, muti, EA or Rupture, re-gouge and reposition. /restart. And don't forget the 1pt SnD, keep it up at all times.


Edited, Feb 6th 2008 10:01am by ThomasMagnum

Something I forgot to add:

If you are going to throw your blind remember to re-stealth>Sap first. If you time this properly you can reset the Diminishing Returns on Cheapshot & Kidneyshot.

Diminishing returns resets 15 seconds after using an ability that shares the same DR. The important ones I remember share DR is Gouge & Sap and Blind & Cyclone.

This way in a situation where you kidney shot is dodged and you want to use blind:

Use Expose armor*> Blind, wait the full duration> sap when it is *just* about to end, wait the full duration of Sap & then cheapshot again. This will reset the Diminishing returns on Cheapshot and by the time cheapshot is finished your KS will have come off Cooldown.

*I say use expose armor here because if they decide to trinket your blind or sap then you at least have some useful debuff up on them. Try to stand as close to them as possible during the blind so that if they trinket you can shiv+kite or you can get a Mutilate in before they get a chance to turn on you.

The Sap is only necessary if you or another rogue has performed cheapshot on your target in the last 15 seconds. If they haven't just go straight from blind>cheapshot.

Expose armor is especially good if you have Imp. EA as it can totally remove armor on cloth targets & take a large chunk out of leather/mail wearers.

Horrible advice, this poor theorycraft at best. The OP said the Gouge was blown so we have to assume that its on DR, the best answer to this is Shiv which should have Crippling on it and "kite" with Shiv by standing on right on top of the person until you have more options available to you.

Spamming Mutilate doesn't really net you anything, Mutilate as you may have noticed is a build thats incredibly dependent on your finishers to keep the fight under your control once you are out of effective CCs but the difference in this case is that since its a position dependent build its hard to just run away and effectively reset the fight so you want to stay close but not get your *** handed to you.

Edited, Feb 6th 2008 3:55pm by ElementHuman

You should never have to shiv as mut.

You should only be using mut and finishers as damage moves.

Gouge and Kick of course for interrupts.

If your damage increase is only marginal, you're doing something wrong. Combat swords is without a doubt the highest DPS build in the game.

How come I can't figure out how to quote. I am slow.

That's what I figured - it will increase enough to keep me happy spamming SS for hours.

Thank you, sir.

Wow. When I wrote this thread I had no idea how easy/fast it is to build up cp's with Shiv (I was OH'ing a sword at the time).

Mut is so much fun!

Quick MyTeddy, talk me out of the s1 shanker, cause damn this spec is fun.